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Work issue

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kittie01 · 10/03/2020 07:50

I run a after school club for one hour a day and have recently decided to leave where I work. Lots of different reasons, treated badly by staff and parents paying late constantly turning up late etc. I employ a lady who is lovely. A few years ago I started asking for a deposit to hold places and a parent called into the principal giving out and the principal told me I can’t do that. For years the principal said the club is nothing to do with her and never got involved until recently. I went to work yesterday and was told by a girl that works there that she was told a parent is taking over my job, bear in mind this is my business that I set up there years ago. I saw the principal several times that day but she said nothing to me. I was going to ask her after work was it true someone was taking over etc. She stopped me in the corridor and said parent is taking over and the lady I employ may not have a job. She wants me to pass over all details to the lady that’s taking over. Am I being unreasonable to be annoyed that she expects me to just hand everything over and annoyed that the lady I employ is losing her job? I’ve built up a great reputation over the years and now several parents are taking their children out of the service. The service is full for the next couple of years so I feel someone is going to gain on my hard work and my reputation and as I’ve done all the ground work like taking calls answering emails and texts. I feel I should be paid not a huge sum but something to reflect all the ground work I’ve done.

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rainbowmask · 10/03/2020 07:57

Sorry if I sound thick but is the after school club part of the role you're leaving or a totally seperate job that you've created? If you've employed your own staff I'm assuming it's your own? In which case YANBU to hand it over and wouldn't be obligated to.

Hercwasonaroll · 10/03/2020 08:00

Well what's the alternative?

If you're that bothered, carry on running it.

SeaViewBliss · 10/03/2020 08:03

Are you being asked to hand over child and parents details? You may need parents’ permission to do that.

Ultimately, there’s not much you can do about someone else running the after school club.

Original poster
kittie01 · 10/03/2020 08:03

the after school club part of the role is what I’m leaving and it’s a business I set up years ago and the principal asked me to set it up. Thanks for your reply I feel a bit intimidated by her to be honest

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kittie01 · 10/03/2020 08:05

The alternative is I got a new job so I don’t want to carry on running it. Yes she’s looking for me to hand over details which I know I need permission from parents to do

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RandomMess · 10/03/2020 08:06

If it's your business that you own then you could offer to sell for £ to the person taking over but it's not clear if you truly own it or not tbh.

PawPawNoodle · 10/03/2020 08:06
  1. I don't believe you are obliged to hand over the information asked for by the Head, but I dont see why you would want to keep it after you've left.
  2. The lady you employ is your employee and not the schools or the new organiser. It's a shame but ultimately it's your responsibility to sort if you want her to remain employed.
  3. Sadly it's tough tits that the business is thriving and will continue to do so after you leave. You don't deserve remuneration for choosing to quit.
cliffdiver · 10/03/2020 08:06

You have a duty of care to the children to do a handover.

It's frustrating but being petty will only impact the children.

Sorry you have to leave under such unpleasant circumstances Thanks

RandomMess · 10/03/2020 08:09

Does Tupe not apply? Either you or they have to make your employee redundant?

curlsnotfrizz · 10/03/2020 08:11

Is this your own business or is this part of the school and you are in charge/running it as an employee?

What does your contact say in terms of termination etc

Are you in the UK (you say principal, not head teacher)?

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kittie01 · 10/03/2020 08:12

Yes it’s my business and I own it.
I know it will thrive after I go and that’s great but feel I should be able to ask for a small sum for all the work I’ve done getting the business for the next few years. The lady that works with me is a parent in the school and I feel it’s unfair that she loses her job despite the club still going ahead and there is a job there for her but they are choosing not to employ her. She’s a great worker. 100% duty of care to the children and I would like to ease the new person in with the children so they are comfortable. I don’t think I’m being petty looking to sell it on at a small cost and none of this will impact on the children as they have no idea of the business side of things

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missinginactiongeorge · 10/03/2020 08:13

Depends - your business, with a name? Then you own the rights and they need to set up and call it something else.
You have 2 choices - send an email to the parents including the new supervisors details and telling them to contact her to organise the handover. And walk. But you won't be back at that school I imagine.

Or - help facilitate the change properly - email parents and cc in new chick asking if it's okay to pass on their details/ details of their kids/details of their hours needed, But I still wouldn't pass on nay financial info - that's for the new owner to sort out.

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kittie01 · 10/03/2020 08:14

It’s my business and I’m running it not as an employee. I’m self employed. Never given a contract and not in the UK

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missinginactiongeorge · 10/03/2020 08:14

I would sell it and speak to head. Otherwise, you don't help and they need to call it something else completely and make it clear that there's a new owner etc.
The head should be talking about this as it's in her interest to have a club running

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kittie01 · 10/03/2020 08:17

I was in talks to sell but then the principal just said someone else is taking over. She’s very difficult and there’s lots of issues in the school but she doesn’t care

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Ruby8719 · 10/03/2020 08:19

Is it really your business, are you a registered business in your own? Do you pay the lady yourself out of money that you bank from the business you run?

WeAllHaveWings · 10/03/2020 08:20

What do you mean by this is your "business"? How does it work?

Do you have you own set of accounts, tax etc and invoice the school for the service and/or pay the school to use their premises? Do you provide the service elsewhere. Do you pay your employees tax, national insurance, pension?

KrisAkabusi · 10/03/2020 08:21

No, still don't understand. Are you leaving the business, as in just not working there any more, or are you shutting it down? You keep saying it will thrive after you go, so will you still be profiting from that?

curlsnotfrizz · 10/03/2020 08:21

Never given a contract and not in the UK

legally, noone can give you any pointers in that case.

as for the other parent - this really is not your problem and not much you can do. I think you need to let that go no matter how well intended you are.

PawPawNoodle · 10/03/2020 08:22

What nonsense - the 'small sum' you get for building the business up is paid to you regularly by way of profitable income. You have ended this contract with your client and that's the end of it, how can you expect a school to give you a pay off? You also want to make a profit from selling personal data of children and parente?

Again, the woman can be Mother Theresa reincarnated but she is your employee and no one is obligated to keep her on.

k1233 · 10/03/2020 08:22

If it is a business, then sell it, don't give it away. What you are referring to is called goodwill and is an intangible asset of your business, which you have created through years of work. If the school want to run the business themselves, then they can buy it.

Basically with any service business, what is of most value in an established business is their ongoing clients. There's nothing to stop competitors setting up their own businesses, but if they buy an established business, there's already an existing client base and that forms part of the value of the business.

CheddarGorgeous · 10/03/2020 08:24

You cannot hand over the details of customers, you would be in breach of GDPR.

If you are running it as a wholly owned enterprise you can either sell it as a going concern, choose to give it away or simply close it down.

However you cannot force the school/head to continue cooperation with any new owner you choose. And you can't guarantee employment for your current assistant.

If you have employed someone they may be entitled to a redundancy payment.

brittabot · 10/03/2020 08:25

Do you pay rent to the school for using the premises?

It sounds as if you were permitted to run the ASC because of your role but now you are leaving it has been given to someone else.
As you are not in UK difficult to say without knowing local laws.

Chloemol · 10/03/2020 08:25

If it’s your business you can just advise everyone you are closing. It does mean your employer will lose her job. But you won’t need to hand any information over and the head will have to start from scratch. Alternatively you could sell the business to someone and perhaps incorporate a clause about keeping current staff. I don’t see why the head thinks you are just going to hand it over.

Bluntness100 · 10/03/2020 08:26

Ok, so it’s set up as a company with companies house etc? What do you mean you set it up as a business and you own it? You were paying the school for the use of their facilities and everything was contracted? Is there a termination period with the school?

It sounds like the head thinks you just started running an after school club on their request and profit paid for your time and the other woman’s and it wasn’t a business. You need to show her how it is a business with your documentation,

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