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Emetophobes

66 replies

Coughisoff · 07/03/2020 22:27

We don’t seem quite as irrational now do we 😀

All the hand washing, hand sanitiser, avoiding places and people, carefully preparing food etc.

The rest of the world just caught up with our OCDs and weirdness.

This is a tiny bit light hearted. Also a tiny bit not.

OP posts:
Fieldofgreycorn · 09/03/2020 00:44

Have you tried an SSRI or tricyclic? They really can be life changing.

Isla727 · 09/03/2020 01:20

Fieldofgreycorn, not sure if you mean me or the OP but yes I've tried low dose Fluoxetine in the past but am hoping to try another when I next see the Psychiatrist. I have had on-off therapy for years now.

Isla727 · 09/03/2020 01:21

@Shinycat, do you have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?

ChicChicChicChiclana · 09/03/2020 07:48

Hi JKD.

I have had CBT for my emetophobia and I would say it has definitely helped me, rather than cured me. But I wasn't expecting to be cured I just wanted to find some relief from the obsessive over-thinking and it has improved that.

The other thing that has helped is that the children have grown up and so there are just fewer vomiting bugs going around in their social circle and of course they have acquired natural resilience along the way.

I can tolerate a lot of my negative thinking now. I think you have to learn to accept yourself in many ways and CBT can play a role in that. I know, and my friends and family know, that I will never eat a shop bought sandwich with chicken in (and various other food rules) never stay in a tube carriage that has a drunk person in it, never sit with them if they are vomiting, always ask about hand washing etc. But I'm not as bad as I was. And so in that respect I would say CBT has "worked" for me.

user127819 · 09/03/2020 07:48

I get what you are saying OP. The advice is to avoid touching your face, which is a hard habit to break, but as an emetophobe I broke that habit years ago. It still doesn't make up for the crippling anxiety and the way this phobia controls my life though. I'd still rather get coronavirus than vomit.

JKD1982 · 09/03/2020 08:26

Thank you @ChicChicChicChiclana for your advice. I’m currently 26 weeks pregnant so got a long way to go with firstly the birth that terrifies me due to vomiting (can handle pain, just scared of throwing up) and then the toddler years of stomach bugs. I don’t think I’ll mind baby sick but actual vomit I have no idea how I’ll deal with

Graphista · 09/03/2020 15:48

Weirdly what this thread has done is reassured me I am NOT unusual for cbt (supposedly gold standard for ocd) NOT working for me.

I've been through loads of different antidepressants too to no avail.

Emdr was suggested to me at one point by someone on a general (not ocd) mh helpline I called once when desperate.

Unfortunately I have had NO support since April so almost a year now despite being extremely unwell but I think because my illness only affects me (I'm not off wandering the streets shouting at folk or hammering on neighbours doors, maybe I should?) it's easy to ignore me. I've had 4 appointments made and cancelled for home assessments (housebound)

darktriad · 09/03/2020 18:59

why the hate towards people suffering with mental health conditions. Coughisoff is saying those of us with emetophobia go through these cleaning rituals on a daily basis to avoid norovirus - some of us become too terrified to leave the home

Allsizes8to14 · 09/03/2020 22:24

To those posting unkind comments - emetophobia is a mental health condition which is difficult to treat as a PP mentioned who has worked in the area. It’s not a dislike of sick, it’s not a rational fear and we who’s that....it is a phobia that for some is crippling and all consuming.

For me it has made me very anxious about travel (incase trapped near someone travel sick) eating out (fear of being poisoned would chose food carefully for ‘safest option’ not what I actually fancied eating) and obsessed with hand hygiene to name a few. Hearing about norovirus doing the rounds sends me into overdrive.

So although I am concerned about coronavirus - this is a rational and reasonable response to the situation. With something related to vomit I have an irrational and disproportionate response to the situation

I don’t see anyone on this thread mocking people with coronavirus or minimising the potential of it, just explaining how their response to it differs to how they would respond if it was vomit related
It really is a horrible thing emetophobia 💐 to us all!

Allsizes8to14 · 09/03/2020 22:25

Who’s = know!

FizzyPink · 09/03/2020 22:38

Wow I genuinely never knew there were so many fellow emetophobes! I agree that if this was a vomiting virus I would not be able to leave the house but as it’s not I’m not worried in the slightest about catching it.
Interested to hear about the various therapies people have had, I did 5 sessions of hypnotherapy last year and didn’t find it much use but I think that might have been down to the hypnotherapist not having treated an emetophobe before.

TealWater · 09/03/2020 22:43

I must be the odd one out. I've always classed myself as having Emetophobia. BUT, I have a fear of seeing/hearing other people vomit. Myself being sick doesn't worry me. So I've never upped my hygiene standards because it is not me being sick that I have a phobia of. Shrugs Confused

Nitpickpicnic · 13/03/2020 23:40

I’ve come back on the thread to pass on the info from the specialist we’re seeing (specialising in emetophobia, eating disorders & OCD in kids and teens). Unfortunately not in the UK, to the Poster who asked.

In general, we are being taught (as a family) to treat the ritual behaviours and incessant repeated phrases (Is this fresh mum? Do I look pale, mum? Will I catch a tummy bug from F in my class?) using the metaphor of ‘anxiety bullies’. We are supposed to look out for the bullies trying to speak or do things. The bullies want to stop you being healthy and happy and strong. They want to cause chaos and make you stay home being bored. That’s their goal.

So if my kid says ‘Have you checked the use-by on that food, will it make me sick?’, I answer ‘Darling I don’t answer bullies questions. I know that YOU know the real answer already. Now tell those bullies to go away with their nonsense. Good. Now let’s get on with what we were doing.’ She is encouraged to picture batting them away, or to actually flick them away with her hand. Or we sometimes ‘scrape them’ off her forehead and throw them in the (real) bin. Does that make sense? Dr says we’ve got to do this every single time. Making it boring is part of the plan.

We have a scoreboard up where we mark times the kid wins a point, and the times the bullies score one. It helps her see that she is strong and able to control her intrusive thoughts, and works as a bit of a reward chart too.

We’ve been directed to be very mindful around eating, and talking about eating. Food has to be eaten with others, preferably under calm pleasant circumstances (not an anxious bite on the run). No weird stuff around food- like the recent youtube trends to ‘only eat yellow foods for a day’ challenge. The doctor recommended to delay getting braces or expanders/retainers until the anxiety is better managed (it places limitations on food). Keep away from people with disordered or strict regimes around food. For example my mum who attaches a lot of shame/disapproval around table manners, and a good friend who talks obsessively about keto. Not helpful.

On the vomiting directly, we’re learning about the body and immunity (from age-appropriate books). We tread carefully, and sometimes mention where the ‘bullies’ have been tricking her with false information. We connect healthy eating with having strong immunity, and how our bodies ‘soldiers’ need to capture germs every so often, to learn about defeating them properly. So letting some bacteria/viruses/germs onto ourselves is positive and important.

It’s been helpful to watch the animated film ‘Inside Out’ a few times. It provides an interesting base for seeing how anxiety bullies might try to take over control of your brain’s ‘control room’. The trick is to slam the door on them as soon as they extend one finger into that ‘room’. That is, learn to recognise when the anxiety is starting up, and deploy breathing/relaxation techniques at that early stage. Not wait until they burst through and start fiddling with the dashboard of our emotions and create chaos. This metaphor makes more sense if you’ve seen the film!

So it’s a long road, and involves an intense period (open-ended) of dedication for the family. Hoping some more concrete techniques will be introduced soon. I’m convinced it needs to be seriously addressed, or it can be really debilitating to take into adult life. Hopefully research catches up soon- so many suggested therapies seem to be either pointless or dangerously counter-productive to this unusual problem.

Good luck to everyone who’s battling it.

Haphazardhacker · 18/03/2020 06:43

Fellow emetophobic here and completely get the OP, also jealous of the people who can’t even fathom what OP is on about. No one is mocking or making a joke about mental illness, emetophobia is all consuming and a miserable existence and we of all people would never mock mental illness.
I just hope that all this awareness of hand washing and hygiene will carry on in the future.

Bezalelle · 18/03/2020 08:39

It's such an odd comparison. Emetophobia and related compulsive behaviours are irrational, as most people on here agree. Hand washing to prevent coronavirus is rational and sensible.

MortyFide · 18/03/2020 09:04

Thanks for that update @Nitpickpicnic, very interesting - and it actually made me feel quite emotional. In the 70s there was no help like this and I wonder if, had there been, I wouldn't have spent several of my school years in terror and the rest of my life with this fucking phobia.

I truly hope your child can shake it, it's fantastic that you're doing everything you can to see that she has professional help. My poor DM did her best but I couldn't always articulate what it was I was afraid of, she couldn't read between the lines and her frustration often got the better of her. She hid it all her life, but it wasn't until she slipped into Alzheimer's that I discovered she actually has the phobia herself.

If Covid-19 had vomiting as a main symptom I'm not sure how I would cope, so that's something to be grateful for at least.

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