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to not know what to do for DS? (Mental health issues)

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UnhappyDS · 04/03/2020 12:13

My DS (12) is in the first year at secondary school and has been talking about wanting to die/commit suicide for the last couple of months. He's had some issues with anxiety before but has been doing well and seemed to be really happy when he started secondary school last term.

I've taken him to the GP who tried to refer him to CAMHS but I received a letter from the CAMHS team saying that they can't help him, despite him talking about wanting to commit suicide. The GP said that the service is so busy in our area they will only consider seeing a child who actually tries to kill themselves. Otherwise the GP just suggested getting him to do some sport or find something he enjoys doing. There was no suggestion of trying to diagnose him at all. I don't understand it - if an adult went with the same problem they would be assessed for depression and be given some kind of therapy/treatment, not told to get a hobby.

We went to see a counsellor but DS found it very difficult to talk to her and admitted afterwards that what he did say wasn't necessarily true, he just wanted to give her answers so she would stop asking him questions. He is very shy and finds it hard to talk to strangers so I'm not sure that this kind of therapy would help him. The counsellor said to bring him back if he asks to see her but that isn't likely. She did suggest that I get him assessed by a child psychologist to see if there is any underlying issue such as ADHD (possible) which could be exacerbating the problem, so he's on a waiting list for that.

I've also spoken to his tutor at school to make sure that school are aware but they didn't seem to have anything they can do to help apart from to tell him he can talk to them or go to the school nurse whenever he wants to - again, this isn't something that he would do out of choice because of his shyness.

In the meantime, I'm trying to make sure he gets enough exercise and fresh air and eats healthily, as well as keeping his routine after school quite fixed as that does seem to help, and limiting his screen time.

He has trouble sleeping sometimes and was up until 11.30 last night in tears telling me how much he wished he could die. He also told me that among his friendship group at school one child self-harms and a couple of them also talk about how much they want to die. I haven't met these children and didn't know any of this before. It sounds such an unhealthy set up.

I really don't know what to do to help him. I think I should talk to the school again about the children talking about suicide together to see if there is anything they can do to help with that. I don't know if I should tell them about DS's friend self-harming.

But apart from that I would like to feel I can do something practically that might be helpful. DS won't phone a helpline or even contact one online. He says he doesn't want to talk about it apart from to me. I'm struggling to keep myself strong for him but it breaks my heart to hear him so sad that he doesn't want to be alive and I feel completely helpless - I ended up in tears last night too.

Everything I've read online about mental health in children says 'talk to the GP' but that hasn't helped at all.

Is it worth me going back to the GP or maybe asking to see a different one? Perhaps a different kind of counsellor would be more useful if they focus on CBT stuff rather than asking him questions.

And what might be the best way to approach the school about the children talking about suicide? Is there anything they can do to help?

If anyone has had a similar experience or has got any helpful suggestions I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you.

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MrsPMT · 04/03/2020 16:38

Its so hard, going through similar with my DS (14). Your child telling you they would rather be dead must be up there as one of the worst things for a parent to hear Sad

There's a long running thread in Teenagers about dealing with teenage mental health problems if that would be of any help.

My DS got referred to a school counsellor, which would be good, if he would go to school Sad

bookmum08 · 04/03/2020 17:29

We are lucky because we are now under cahms - third referal though.
One thing we were told was when she says the "I want to die" to take her to A+E. A couple of weeks ago we did just that. When my husband suggested it I thought it seemed an over reaction - but it really helped. It was a way of saying "we understand you, we are listening, we are taking you seriously" which at times I think she didn't believe that. We did think she might change her mind - about wanting to go to the hospital or not want to stay. It was cold and late. We did have to wait quite a while and her attention span can be quite poor.
A doctor from cahms then came down, talked to her. Came up with a Safety Plan and basically sped up the cahms appointments.
It might be worth trying.
Good luck.

seriouslystumped · 04/03/2020 17:48

I'm going through the same with my DS, who's also in year 7. I've bought the big life journal for teens and am going to start working through it with him. The GP has referred us to Cahms but I'm not expecting any real help from them. He sees a psychologist that specialises in children with ASD (DS has Asperger's). He he told her that his issues are around his friends but it's tough. They're not good for him but he wants to be friends with them. I don't encourage the friends outside school at all.

I've found it helpful to spend time talking with my DS to try and identify if there are any triggers. In his case, he is struggling with some subjects and he's really hard on himself. I'm spending time with him doing his homework and am finding things to do as a family - like science kits at home to keep him off the screens.

I've also put a little notebook in his pencil case so he can write down prompt words if he's feeling low when he's at school and we talk about them at home.

His tutor has put aside time after school on Fridays to check in with him, but he doesn't use that facility.

The pastoral care at the school is brilliant, but the issues are with the number of different teachers. I email the head of year with any issues and have spoken directly to teachers. I'm not afraid to be the annoying parent anymore. It's a big school and my DS will be easily lost.

I've asked my DS when he's been feeling low whether he actually wants to die, or whether he wants how he's feeling to stop. He has told me it's the latter and I'm working with him to find him ways to cope.

I've signed him up to a team sport out of school also which he's currently into, but it might not last.

I won't lie, it's exhausting. When he's going through a low period I barely have the strength to help him, and it comes at the expense of my own wellbeing. It's tough with working, a younger DS and general family life going on.

Good luck OP, ultimately it comes down to us parents to be there, as counsellors etc can only make suggestions that we will have to work to implement.

seriouslystumped · 04/03/2020 17:55

Forgot to say - my DS also has trouble sleeping. I find meditation apps on YouTube and lie with him in bed. The trouble is I usually fall asleep first Smile

Thirtyrock39 · 04/03/2020 18:14

There are some very good text message support services- childline have one as do kooth.com so if your son is shy they may help as it's not talking face to face but is trained counsellors.
I would speak to the school nurse team as well as they will have information on services that are not as stretched as cahms...a lot of the children's centres have groups which can help for example ...the school nurse team will be able to do a some work with your son and support him with some strategies to help manage his thoughts and feelings though they are not mental health specialists they can still help and signpost to other services.

mnthrowaway202020 · 04/03/2020 18:20

When I was about 15 I felt down and unconfident, I wouldn’t say depressed though - I just had lots going on at home with my family and school were aware.

Basically I was able to pop in to speak to school mentors whenever I wanted and essentially have a break from lessons and a chat about home. They would give advice and also worksheets etc that helped raise my confidence over time.

Also the school nurse took me to private counselling sessions twice during last period, I didn’t like either counsellor so I didn’t go back. It wasn’t useful for me at all.

Valkadin · 04/03/2020 18:20

They don’t like diagnosing dc at a very young age. I know full well why I have MH issues. He is either unwilling to reveal something or he may be disposed to having issues or possibly both. Just keep all channels open with him and let him know you support him regardless, it sounds like your doing a good job and if you can afford private counselling then please go down this avenue.

mnthrowaway202020 · 04/03/2020 18:21

But I’m glad I was given the option!

Sad that your school can’t help him more.

littlemissminor · 04/03/2020 18:22

In the short term, there is a text service called shout that is brilliant for some on the spot support

UnhappyDS · 05/03/2020 14:40

Sorry I haven't come back before - have had a lot going on.

Thank you so much for all your replies. I will read through them all and take what I can. Am so sorry so many of you have experience of this but I really do appreciate your comments.

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lifecouldbeadream · 05/03/2020 14:53

I wonder if Kooth might be of any use if not previously suggested. All online so he might be happier to engage?

bumbleymummy · 05/03/2020 15:50

Is home education an option? A lot of children struggle with anxiety in the school environment even if they can’t quite put their finger on why. Sometimes just removing them from that situation can make a big difference. It is still possible to do exams and get qualifications and move on to college/university - it’s just different. HE can be much less stressful and some children prefer to move at heir own pace and be driven by their own strengths and interests.

UnhappyDS · 06/03/2020 11:02

Thank you so much for all the comments. I've made myself some notes so feel I have somewhere to go with all this.

I can totally understand why people home educate their children now but am not really in a position to do this (and honestly don't think I would be very good at it!).

So for now this is what I'm planning. I might not do all of these things depending on what happens. (Not sure how I'm meant to actually fit my work in!)

  • I will ring Young Minds for advice
  • I've already contacted a local private child psychologist team and am waiting for an appointment for DS to have an assessment
  • I've contacted the CAMHS team and am waiting for a call back to find out how I go about accessing the educational psychologist assessment that they have recommended
  • Once I've spoken to them I will think about going back to my GP or I will ask to talk to a different GP at the practice
  • I'll ask for a meeting at the school as I haven't had a response to my email to his head of year and tutor yet
  • I'll investigate other options for local CBT based child counsellors
  • I'll try and find out whether there are any early help social care services in my area and contact them for advice
  • I'll look into online options for resources to help DS build self-esteem/challenge negative thoughts
  • I'll consider taking DS to A&E when he says he wants to commit suicide
  • I'll look into meditation apps
  • I'll have a look at the Mumsnet thread about teenage mental health problems

Hopefully, something in that list will help him!

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