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To think the current Government is either stupid or delusional in its expectations re "economically inactive" people?

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Juliette20 · 20/02/2020 12:29

news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-attacked-over-clueless-claim-that-inactive-britons-will-fill-job-vacancies-11937918

Apparently "economically inactive" people are the answer to the massive hole in the labour market being created by leaving the EU and Government immigration policies.

There are 8 million people who fall into this category. Ok. But:

  • 26% of this group are disabled/long term sick.
  • 22% are full time students
  • 13% have taken early retirement
  • 11% are people who have just left a job and are awaiting the results of job applications, or don't need to work
  • Not sure how many people are carers for relatives- but other data suggests about 7 million people - some of these will be working as well, of course.

It leaves very few people, and people don't necessarily want short term work like fruit picking.

The unemployment rate is current 3 - 4%

Priti Patel, get real, your figures do not stack up.

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SerendipityJane · 20/02/2020 17:19

Economically inactive means people between the ages of 16 to 64, not in any form of paid employment. If this is by choice then no one will be forced to work.

Did you make that up, or stumble on it on a dictionary website somewhere ?

I think "economically inactive" means seagulls and dogs. Unless there's a cite to the contrary.

EuroMillionsWinner · 20/02/2020 17:22

With sympathetic government backing there could be more options.

And you think that's going to happen with Tory government? Seriously?
😂😂😂😂

Listening I brought up similar on both these threads and no one seems to have any answers. My guess is that pensioners who apply for Pension Credit will soon find out they need to do some 'contributing'.

SerendipityJane · 20/02/2020 17:31

What about the disabled ? Will their PIP become contingent?

PIP - like the DLA it replaced - is intended to help with the additional expense of being a burden disabled. In my friends case incontinence wear and additional washing, for example. So far the DWP have sailed close to making it seem like it's a "benefit" to be earned, but it's not yet official. I'm sure you are aware of this, but I wanted to state that in black and white, because a lot of posters on MN struggle with how benefits work. Well, other peoples benefits.

ESA is the benefit that makes up for not working. For now.

I wonder what the UK-Switzerland travel arrangements will be like in years to come ?

Graphista · 20/02/2020 17:45

The long term sick however... having worked for the DWP, I'd be rather concerned. They've always been a problem for Tory Governments.

As I am one this is what concerns me. Especially as I am mostly unable to work due to mental illness which is STILL seen by too many as my own fault! (I’ve just posted on another thread where a poster has pretty much said exactly that! And I see similar comments on here at least a few times a day - prejudice against the mentally ill is very much alive and well and being stoked by this govt)

@tellmetruth4 I think you’ll find that many non-British Europeans who were working here in low paid (not even getting nmw) jobs WERE being exploited and abused actually!

I have in the past when I was younger and much fitter worked on farms and in factories. It is back breaking, exhausting work that deserves appropriate remuneration. Farmers and factory owners have for too long got away with treating employees badly, I’ve yet to meet/hear of a genuinely poor farmer or factory owner!

But the ONE thing this govt could do which would improve lives for many, AND stimulate the economy AND reduce unemployment AND reduce benefits bill is the ONE thing they WON’T do - bring in an actual living wage!

“sort out a proper "living wage", get rid of zero hours contracts and give people decent levels of holiday/sick pay, etc.” Have to say these are all things a Labour govt would very likely have done. Workers rights and fair treatment of workers is their raison dêtre after all.

“Sincerely doubt Priti Patel would be handing out her CV in the local care home or fruit picking field if she found herself out of office!” What Mp would need to?! Very few of them are actually dependent on the Mp salary plus while in office they use that position to profit!

She certainly has!!

“No, it's a political problem. In the same way the housing "crisis" is a political problem. Not an economic one. Not a demographic one. Not a geographic one. But a political one, caused by rampant cronyisim that has strangled the building of houses - quite openly - to maintain the prices. It's a political one that has allowed housing stock to be diverted into BTL enclaves thus keeping rents - and house prices - comfortably high.” Hear hear!

Said it so often I’m almost starting to bore myself!

If this govt implemented a policy of building more social housing it would:

Provide employment & training

Stimulate the economy

Provide much needed long term social housing

Housing security ALSO improves educational outcomes, reduces addiction and mh issues, reduces antisocial behaviour and crime

All good for society/the country but far too many MPs (of ALL colours) are landlords and property developers with a vested interest in keeping housing prices high!

“I think Safariboot has it nailed. First they'll go after the long term sick” I can assure you that’s been happening for years already! But yes I fear it may get even worse!

100,000’s of deaths including suicides haven’t even phased them, indeed at this point I think they consider that convenient!

“More use needs to be made of technology - not to remove peoples' jobs but to help people do them.” This I do agree with. I’d love to work but am currently housebound. But I could work IF employers weren’t so bloody rigid and insistent on employees being in a physical office. Given the right support and equipment with my qualifications and experience there are roles I could perform at home. At points I have tried to find work but it’s all scams!

“This is the problem with having the country led by so many privately educated people.” Exactly! Not an ounce of common sense between them! Clueless!

No idea that secure housing, decent affordable public transport, decent accessible healthcare, decent affordable childcare, decent affordable elderly care plus other things are necessary to facilitate people being able to work.

SerendipityJane · 20/02/2020 18:55

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To think the current Government is either stupid or delusional in its expectations re "economically inactive" people?
TheresWaldo · 20/02/2020 19:56

And remember that "virtual jobs" mean that if you don't need to be physically in the office, you don't actually need to be in the UK at all. My employer has a strategy to move a huge amount of IT contractors either "nearshore" i.e. other EU countries, or "offshore" i.e. currently to India, but the Philippines, Mauritius etc. are mentioned more and more. It costs 40% less to have a contractor in Portugal than on site. Their English skills are brilliant. Everyone so keen on leaving the EU forgets that everything is bloody Global now.

WTFdidwedo · 20/02/2020 20:03

I've been trying to hire chefs for 6 weeks and I've had six applications, with only one person turning up for an interview out of three invited. Since the referendum result was announced, fewer and fewer European applicants have bothered to apply and now none do at all. Previously they would've made up about 70% of my applicants. Hospitality will be fucked.

TwentyViginti · 20/02/2020 21:03

Wasn't there a politician a few years ago who wanted pensioners to pick fruit?

Deckthehallswithlotsofcake · 20/02/2020 21:42

The thing is that privileged people always think that they are rich because they are superior beings, and not because of luck. So if other people are poor it must be because they did something wrong and not because the had the unfortunate to be born by poor people-.

EerieSilence · 21/02/2020 03:42

@SerendipityJane

Priti Patel has been branded “clueless” after claiming that labour shortages caused by her tough new immigration plans could be filled by 8.5 million “economically inactive” people in the UK.
The home secretary was speaking as sectors from care homes to construction to farming warned that they will face difficulty recruiting enough staff after the points-based system comes into force at the end of the year.
But official figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the 8.5 million 16- to 64-year-olds currently not seeking work include around 2.3 million students and 2.1 million long-term sick, as well as more than 1.1 million who are retired and 1.9 million who are looking after their family or home. Fewer than 1.9 million of the total were recorded as wanting a job.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-immigration-uk-home-office-construction-farming-work-a9345151.html

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity

Oliversmumsarmy · 21/02/2020 06:19

SerendipityJane

Some of my friends who voted leave who live in a certain area could have been the person in your photos.

The difference being they had tried to get a job but they didn’t speak the language.

After the referendum a lot of the economic migrants left and now my friends are in the jobs that were left open

Having walked around the area pre 2016 and feeling like the only British person on the street it was one of the reasons when David Cameron announced the referendum I knew it was not going to end well.

Notanotherflightdelay · 21/02/2020 07:45

Um, they came to an end a while back. Every council became full service Universal Credit back in December, 2018.

UC/benefits create under employment. It is amazing how many of my clients work the minimum to get benefits but more that they see that as a full time job. I am constantly told by them that I am a fool for working full time as you don't have to. I am very supportive of the welfare state but do feel that the system needs an overhaul. We need better flexible childcare, better transport to enable people to work. In a couple both should be working full time -the benefit system doesn't require this- to do this the system around work needs to be better.

Notanotherflightdelay · 21/02/2020 07:52

We also need to find flexible ways for people with disabilities to work. Lots of people can work if the jobs and the support is right but the support isn't there. The central government public sector tends to be much better at this but regional and other employers are not. I work with colleagues who are blind, who are wheelchair users, who are profoundly hearing impaired. In some cases they have PA support to enable them to work but this is getting rarer.

30 years ago there were more opportunities for employers to employ staff with special educational needs and disabilities but now government funding focus on short contracts and then the young people are dropped and the funding moves to the next group (employers are incentivised to take someone on but only for a fixed term) . We need sustainable funding to enable people to work.

SaskiaRembrandt · 21/02/2020 08:21

Fears that a ban on low skilled migrants will lead to a rise in slavery www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/21/immigration-rules-post-brexit-could-fuel-modern-slavery-say-charities

Which makes sense. Businesses that already flout the law aren't going to suddenly start employing resident British people and pay the actual minimum wage + if they can find another supply of cheap labour.

ListeningQuietly · 21/02/2020 17:50

If all the immigrants are high skilled and high paid
leaving the shitty jobs for British born
what could possibly go wrong Hmm

datasgingercatspot · 21/02/2020 20:23

This teapot. I want it SO badly and can find it for sale nowhere. It is most vexing.

datasgingercatspot · 21/02/2020 20:24

Sorry, wrong thread.

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