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To think if you're sacked from your job, you don't get to keep the accommodation provided with the job?

189 replies

user1490607838 · 14/02/2020 14:49

Just that really! A man who worked in a school (as caretaker) for 17 years, has been sacked, and he and his wife are now 'sobbing' because they have nowhere to go!

Whilst it can't be easy to have to move out of the property you have raised your family in, surely they must have known that if he ever lost his job, the accommodation would have gone with it?!

They are trying to make out he was 'unfairly sacked' as he was finished from his job whilst on sick leave. But they have been asked to leave the home several times, and in the end had to be forced out

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-sobs-we-nothing-family-21489077

AIBU to think they shouldn't expect to keep the home provided with the job, when the job finishes?

OP posts:
LivinLaVidaLoki · 15/02/2020 13:29

@FabulouslyElegantTits...
Still standing after 4 hours......must be a new record.

Just wanted to add an extra point to a query above. Losing your job due to excessive sick leave is not classed as gross misconduct.

I also second that its really hard for someone to actually be fired in local govt.

They are clearly lying and manipulating the situation, talking like their kids are all small when some are almost as old as me and posting stuff about how all they can afford to eat is a Gregg's sausage roll. Not to mention fired for "ill health" (also to anyone saying that the council should just comment as to how he lost his job, they literally can't.
They have had 5 years at a massively subsidised rent to be able to save (after all, he has another job no?) and haven't. There is no one to blame in this but themselves with their own sense of entitlement and bloody mindedness.

Leithwalk · 15/02/2020 13:58

A PP seems to think that the council have not followed protocol in dismissing him rather than making him redundant. Doesn't really matter.Even with the redundancy he would still lose the house. He wouldn't have a big payout either. He will have earned significantly less than me as a teacher/headteacher - with 28 years service and my due payout was to be £11,000.

Another PP mentioned that councils sack you for being absent as if that is really terrible. Of course they do! Councils can't afford to pay staff for no work!
All dismissals under attendance, follow set policies. Attendance management procedures are triggered once the number of occasions of absence are hit. Given frequent absences and support to return to work with more absences employees can be found to be incapable of holding down a job and dismissed. I don't see a problem?

Graphista · 15/02/2020 14:01

“alerting any future potential landlord to their behaviour in the face of a legal eviction. No one wants to go to Enforcement.” Excellent point! Kinda shot themselves in the foot on that score!

I would say any DECENT potential future landlord will now be unlikely to touch them. Meaning if they end up renting privately they could well be stuck with less scrupulous landlords.

They're just very foolish piss takers who didn't sensibly plan for their and their dcs future taking all the FACTS into consideration.

I feel sorry for the youngest 2 who are powerless in all this and deserve better parenting.

But the 4 ADULTS? No!

FabulouslyElegantTits · 15/02/2020 14:05

@LivinLaVidaLoki

They're obviously out drumming up support for their campaign! Even on minimum wage FOUR adults (both the adult children mention driving to work on the change.org site) can afford the rent on a three bed property it would be £200-300 each!

Leithwalk · 15/02/2020 14:05

Please someone post the link to this thread and the court case on the 'Homeless Family of 6' FB page - CF's like this make my blood boil - so much miss information out there and such emotive posts by the family...'memory bear'??? Time that the facts are shared and the views of a wide range of people.

  • I would post but can't due to my council role ( not the council involved). Woud enjoy
Kirkman · 15/02/2020 14:14

He is saying exactly that, that he was unfairly dismissed and lost his home in the process. The article says he was sacked and unfairly in his view because he was off sick at the time

Gross misconduct is not the same as being unfairly sacked cause your sick.

And I see he did try and appeal it. But was late?

I wonder why Blavo and Co decided to not represent them.

Let's be honest, though, if he wont the tribunal. And that's a big if. They still would not have kept the house.

He may have recieved a pay out. But MIT kept the house. They have had at least 5 years to save to afford to move so it's not that.

It's like me expecting to keep getting paid for my job if u keaveof get sacked. Or keep a company car.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 15/02/2020 14:30

Or keep a company car.

I need my specs changed - I thought this said " Or keep a company CAT"

I would fight like hell to keep a company cat!

Angry
FabulouslyElegantTits · 15/02/2020 14:46

... 20 minutes! 20 bloody minutes 😂

Leithwalk · 15/02/2020 14:46

The appellant, as the judge found, occupied the bungalow pursuant to a service
occupancy. His licence to occupy ended on 12 June 2015 when he was dismissed for
gross misconduct (the appellant’s subsequent application to the Employment Tribunal
claiming compensation for unfair dismissal, but not re-engagement or re-instatement,
was unsuccessful). Thereafter, the appellant and his family, that is his wife and four
children now aged 19, 17, 15 and 11, have had no private law right to remain in the bungalow, but have continued to live there as trespassers.

Quite interesting too - he didn't want his job back.

From cornerstonebarristers.com/cmsAdmin/uploads/al-final-judgment.pdf

Kirkman · 15/02/2020 14:47

Wouldnt mind a company cat 😁

We did have a senior manager leave because she enticed a stray into one if our offices and she wasnt allowed to keep it as an office cat. Grin

LivinLaVidaLoki · 15/02/2020 14:55

And as for it being unfair that he was sacked as he was off sick at the time....

Pretty much everyone going through a disciplinary goes off sick.

Kirkman · 15/02/2020 14:56

Quite interesting that point 32, says they have been invited to contact the Local housing authority in several occasions to sort out housing.

But, at the time of this judgment. They hadnt.

Bazinga007 · 15/02/2020 15:05

They have had 5 years notice to move out. 2 of the "children" are adults and she is a sahm mum to a 12 and 15 year old. And they are paying 90 quid a month when 4 of them could have jobs, the amount of money they could have been saving should be massive.

x2boys · 15/02/2020 15:30

That used to.happen in the NHS too @Panpastels but they got much stricter with the sickness policies and I have known colleagues dismissed for frequent sickness

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