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AIBU School Bullying

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outherealone · 12/02/2020 21:32

Hi, sorry this is really long. I really don’t know how to tackle this. But it’s gone on too long because of my own issue and because of the awkwardness of the situation but I really need help and advice as my daughter is struggling and it’s affecting me so much as well as my other child.
I have two kids, one who is gregarious and has a huge amount of friends, one who is less confident and has had the same tiny group of four friends since reception.
In year 4, one of the four went rogue and became a serious bully but four became three and remained a very close and tight trio: My daughter who I’ll call A, her two besties B and C.
In year five another of the group (B) became a bully and that left my dc and her now only friend C.
B, who most recently became a bully, was A’s very best friend for years, since nursery and she has been hurt and devastated by the change in B’s behaviour.
He has mainly directed it at my dc and the other friend although apparently targets a few others too including my other child who is younger but at the same school.
The bullying appears to happen daily and takes numerous forms, physical and verbal but also things like deleting her work on the computer when she’s not looking and various other work sabotage including ripping up work, tripping up in games etc. It always appears to go unseen and done in places where no teachers witness but plenty of kids do. He appears to have a team who also carry out his bidding.
He is much bigger physically and I have always really liked him.
I mentioned it early in the new academic year at parents’ evening and the teacher said he’d form a kind of intervention between the trio to try and fix things. He was really shocked as thought they are very tight knit.
they all got together and talked it through but B denied everything and my daughter (A) said it didn’t change anything afterwards and that B just became more careful where and how he bullied A and C.

I had to go in for a meeting regarding something else (family support due to my disability) and whilst there my daughter’s old teacher asked how she’s doing now she’s moved up a year. I told her she’s doing ok but really struggling with the relationship with B. This teacher looked at me as though I was lying and said ‘I really can’t see B ever doing that and that ‘girls are prone to misinterpret things
I also gather that B’s older siblings also bully him.

Now this is where it gets a little bit more tricky.
I really like B’s mum, I consider her a friend but on a quite superficial level, we have lots of connections and we genuinely get on although are not close, she’s a lovely, decent woman.
She works for the school in a consulting role and is hugely popular and respected.
C’s mum also works in the school. She’s equally lovely and our three kids made a great team together.
I had planned to see how things went at school and then speak to B’s mum myself but she was working away so I didn’t get the chance.
my exh approached her in the playground to ask what’s going on between our kids. B’s mum was horrified and the next time I bumped into her she said that exh had approached her and she was really bemused... she said B was gutted and had no idea why my daughter had stopped being his friend.
We agreed it might be worth getting them together outside of school to try and have an informal and fun intervention type affair but my daughter refuses point blank to interact with him outside of school and rightly says ‘I don’t want to be with him because he’s so mean’. I’m trying to say maybe it’s worth addressing it outside of school we might get more done that way.

She’s coming home every day with stories about spite and attacks and her behaviour is deteriorating steadily. she’s appearing very angry and blowing up at everything and being quite mean, destructive and bullying type behaviour to us at home.

I’m really struggling with my own mental and physical health and not always the most patient and understanding and it’s making our relationship fraught.
tonight after yet another huge meltdown she really broke down about it and it’s clear how much it’s affecting her.

Because I work I’m hardly ever at school. I’m constantly reiterating ‘tell the teacher’ but I’m not sure how often she actually does it. I’ve said I can speak to the teacher this week again. I’m friendly with the deputy head and I’m considering approaching her instead of A’s teacher, she already knows some of the background anyway.

My daughter tells me that C’s mum has been addressing it with the school as her child is also really struggling with it.
I don’t see C’s mum because our schedules clash but I see the dad a lot as we are often at the evening and early morning drop off/ pick ups.

tonight I said ‘let’s start writing everything down including what happened and each time you ‘told’ and who you told and whether they spoke to him or not than I can take it to the school and ask for more help’
A begged me not to speak to the teacher because she’s got to the age now where she doesn’t want to be ’a snitch’ but I’m trying to explain that bullies use the term snitch to make you feel bad about asking for help.

So...
Thank you for perseverance thus far....

She has asked instead that I speak to B’s mum before going to the teacher.
I also feel that B’s mum deserves this because if I have to re-approach school regarding this I will be escalating it.
Anyway...
The whole point of this meandering message is to ask for help in how to word a message to the mum, we rarely speak as we don’t have a telephone relationship and see each other once in a blue moon, usually by accident.
I would like to message her in the first instance and explain how A has broken down tonight and that she’s mentioning B as the cause of her not wanting to go back to school etc but I don’t want to

  • inflame something
  • accuse upset the mum spoil our friendship
  • call her child a liar I’d really appreciate the help as I have a very full and tired brain, I’m battling a lot of stuf right now and don’t know where to start. I guess my aibu is: Am I being unreasonable to ask you to be my mentors?
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outherealone · 12/02/2020 21:38

Just to add: I’m not a warpath type of parent and I abhor confrontation. I’m currently in therapy and one of my issues is around not feeling safe from my childhood.
I feel I’m doing my kids a disservice if I don’t try and fix / facilitating rectifying of this situation... as well as her pain and my son’s upset with the atmosphere etc, my physical and mental health really deteriorate in this angry and high expressed emotion environment

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outherealone · 12/02/2020 21:52

Bumping for attention Grin

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Daftodil · 12/02/2020 21:56

Maybe something like: "Hey BMum, is B ok? I'm not sure what has happened, but A is really upset about something that happened at school today but won't talk about it, just says it isn't just today, it's been going on a while. Has B mentioned anything to you? If there's anything you can get out of B, I'd really appreciate it as I'm really worried about A so any insight would be appreciated"

outherealone · 12/02/2020 22:16

Thank you @daftodil we’ve already kind of had that conversation before Christmas and that’s when we were going to get the kids together but my dd refused, so she knows they’re not friends anymore...
Will try something along those lines, maybe I’ll message and ask to ‘meet up for coffee to talk about the kids’ or something and just discuss it in person...

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outherealone · 12/02/2020 22:29

Has anyone ever been on the other side of this issue? As the parent of the kid who is supposedly the bully?

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Daftodil · 12/02/2020 22:38

Do you know whether B's homelife has changed? Is there anything that may have triggered the change in B's behaviour?

Agree face-to-face would be better, but if there is something going on at home this might influence how receptive/sensitive/defensive etc B's mum is to discussing things.

Can you message C's mum and see what she has said to the school and whether the school has acted on this? Have you spoken to C's dad about it all?

outherealone · 12/02/2020 23:07

Yeah have spoken to C’s parents this eve, they want no part in it and have downplayed what they previously shared with me and just suggest I go to the mum. They said C is not really affected and is more in a peacemaker role between A and B.
They said they haven’t addressed it with school at all so it seems A has mixed messages there.
They have had a lot of stress plus it’s related to her job too so I can understand why they don’t want to get involved.
I don’t know if any changes at B’s home. I know he is/was possibly subject to some bullying by older sibling but to all intents and purposes they have an idyllic life.
My home is the chaos single mum with multiple issues and the other two families are a world apart from ours so I feel like I’m creating drama where there isn’t or wasn’t any...I have to try and fix it for my dd as she is so little and helpless without the life skills for h thy is kind of thing.
It’s very hard when B’s mum is in such a strong position within the school and B presents so well. I felt ‘safer’ when I thought C’s parents were involved too but they have backtracked now for whatever reason.
I’m working really hard to encourage dd to form new friendships so she doesn’t end up isolated , she is doing it a bit but really struggles with girls after bullying when she was very little she keeps out of their way and sees so much infighting.
I really want her to find a little tribe of her own and it is really hard as our home life is not like others’ due to my problems and she is a very quirky child who doesn’t run with the herd at all.
I always worried that this tiny group would implode!

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Hooferdoofer37 · 13/02/2020 07:38

You need to speak to the head of pastoral care at the school.

Look on the website, phone up the school and make an appointment. Bypass the mother, this is something the school need to sort out as it's
happening on their watch.

It could be that they move your child to another class or put other measures in place to keep the 2 of them apart.

A good teacher will have seen this before and know how to deal with it.

outherealone · 13/02/2020 12:10

Thank you for your reply. There’s no head of pastoral care, it’s a primary school. I feel bad about going behind the mum’s back as we’re kind of Friends but my little girl is very upset bless her she’s asked me to approach the mum rather than the teachers, I guess as my approaching the teachers previously hasn’t really made any difference

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outherealone · 13/02/2020 15:52

I just sent a message saying my daughter was upset about their broken friendship and that they prob won’t be ‘good’ friends again but wondered if we can meet to see if we can make things easier ... take it from there I guess... eeek ... it’s never an easy thing to confront especially when I only have one side of the story...

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nobodyimportant · 13/02/2020 16:46

These things are much better dealt with through school. Always.

Things are never quite as straightforward as they seem and it can be really hard to unpick it all but it's much harder if the adults doing the unpicking are taking the side of one child or another. This is how huge rows end up happening between the parents. Don't see it as going behind the other parent's back, see it as avoiding getting dragged into a conflict. Speak to the teacher, follow up with an email so it's in writing. Let them know about every issue. If they don't know they can't help. Make sure your child knows to talk to the adults in school about it when things happen too.

outherealone · 14/02/2020 02:25

I’ve spoken to teachers they don’t address it because of her status. I have to try this and if it doesn’t work then I can escalate. I can’t escalate without speaking to her first, it wouldn’t be fair.
We’re meeting next week and then I can see how things stand. I understand what you’re saying but our friendship has been close at times plus we have many mutual friends.
She wants to invite the other mum too, who backed off when I brought this up. I’ll leave that to those two to discuss as I’ve already been given a clear message of non engagement despite previous confirmation that their child was experiencing it too.

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Firstawake · 14/02/2020 07:47

I would advise against speaking to the parent, do the best for your child and go through the school.
It's up to other parents to raise their own issues with the school.
Don't complicate the matter, stick to the facts not opinions.
School have a duty of care.

crowsfeet57 · 14/02/2020 08:18

I'm sorry I think you need to deal with the school and not other parents. The friendship isn't going to be repaired and it's all about coping at school now. The fact that other parents are backing away from dealing with you is a clear signal that they are hearing different accounts than you are.

The school need to look at what is happening there and help your daughter to make new connections and friendships. Don't let them abdicate from their responsibility. You need to stay away from other parents or you will just inflame the situation and make them entrench their positions which, in the end, will impact negatively on your daughter.

Just one small point to consider, given the children's ages, is it possible that your daughter has just reached an age when she finds B irritating because she is maturing more quickly than him? My (now grown up) DD has lovely friends of both genders that she has known since nursery but there were a few years that she found it easier to be friends with other girls than with boys. It may be that you need to help her move away from this friendship group entirely. I've been there and it isn't easy but it may need to be done.

outherealone · 14/02/2020 09:16

Ah thanks all for advice, too late now I have reached out to the mum and the backed off mum has also been invited by the other mumtoo.
I think it will be addressed more as a how can we repair things rather than an accusing and defending forum. I hope so anyway. Both these mums are lovely honestly and I think it’s worth a try because at least then if I do have to speak to the school again at least the mum is aware that I have raised the issue as an actual issue with her beforehand and it doesn’t come out of the blue.
We had discussed it previously in passing and had planned to get the kids together but my dd refused. Now she’s asking me to involve the mum in trying to stop the problem.

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