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Struggling with my new job.

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supernanny9 · 11/02/2020 18:30

I’m a nanny and have been for the last 6-7 years. I’ve mainly looked after young babies and toddlers in that time. I’ve just started a new job in September last year looking after two young boys, ages 7 and 9.

I’m finding it a real struggle to adapt to the job and bond with them, perhaps because I’ve never worked with children this age before and not really use to dealing with “attitudes” and so on. They have been raised by their dad, a single parent and I would say that their pretty much use to having their own way because he’s so relaxed. Absolutely fine, it’s his business how he raises his kids and I don’t judge him at all, except it’s causing problems now because they don’t listen to me and they don’t really respect me either. I’m not sure how they behave in school but I haven’t heard any complaints so I assume they must be good and listen to their teachers etc.

Examples -

⁃	He’s asked me to make sure that they don’t have any devices after school e.g phone, iPads and tv. That’s fine, I’d rather it this way anyway as otherwise they get to engrossed and don’t want to do anything else. Problem is I’ll make sure that they don’t have these things whilst their with me but as soon as he arrives home their straight on them and he doesn’t say anything. This causes problems because when their with me all afternoon they will just nag and nag to go on them and when I suggest that we do something else like play with toys/play board games/go for a walk to the park/bake cakes/do craft etc they say it’s boring and just blatantly refuse to participate. 

⁃	This probably falls under the example above, but they cannot entertain themselves at all without either a) me playing with them or b) having their devices. They will not sit together/by themselves and do craft or anything that doesn’t involve technology, it doesn’t matter how much I encourage them to. This can prove difficult at times because I’m responsible for the families laundry and keeping the home tidy day to day so sometimes when I’m occupied with these tasks I can’t always entertain them. 

⁃	They don’t listen to a word I say and say no to absolutely everything even if it involves something dangerous like crossing the street. For some reason they just haven’t been taught how to cross a road, they will literally just run out without even looking to see if anything’s coming first. I’ve really stressed to them how important it is to check before crossing the street because cars/vans/any vehicle’s can’t just stop. If I try to hold their hands or grab their arms before crossing they will just pull away and run off. It’s extremely problematic when it comes to school pick ups or if we go for a walk. They did it today actually after I picked them up from school on the way to the car, it was just lucky that nothing was coming but I again stressed how serious it was and they just laughed. I appreciate boys will be boys but at 7 and 9 I thought that they would be a bit more sensible with something like this. I’ve looked after much younger children who understood how important it was to check before crossing. 

⁃	They call me names like dummy and fat and sometimes they will tell me to shut up or say “whatever” if they don’t like something. I’ve explained it’s not very nice to call people names but again they just laugh in my face. 

⁃	The biggest one for me and I think the one issue that causes me the most stress and anxiety is that if they don’t get their own way then they will always threaten and say “I’m going to call daddy” or text him. I worry more about what they will say even though I know I’ve done nothing wrong. I of course ask them not to because he’s busy at work and it’s not urgent (obviously if it was an emergency or they were upset about something then I would let them contact him) but it’s more so because they haven’t had their own way and obviously hope that he will overrule my decision. Let me put it this way, they never contact him when I’ve said yes to something. 

Today was extremely difficult because we did an activity that was part of their homework (walk to the park) and they were both really eager to do it, however halfway there one of them started crying because his leg was supposedly hurting (this was all because he had a plaster on his knee from falling over in school yesterday and grazing it). I said that we were nearly there and that we would have fun and take lots of pictures to show their teacher tomorrow. He said that he wanted to walk back up to the house and drive down in the car, I said no because it would take longer to get back to the house and I knew that there wasn’t anything actually wrong with his leg, he just didn’t want to walk. He started crying in the middle of the street, walking away from me, saying he was going to call daddy and tell him how mean I was and that he hated walks so much. In the end I gave up (I know I should have stuck to my guns) and said we’d walk back to the car and that I’d drive down because I just couldn’t cope with the situation (people starting at us because he was shouting at me and crying in the middle of the street). As soon as we got to the car, of course he stopped crying and once we got to the park he was running around like a firework had gone up his bum.

These are situations that I have to deal with on a daily basis if they don’t get their own way. I really didn’t think I’d be dealing with this when looking after older children especially because it’s the sort of behaviour I’m use to with younger children but maybe I was naive to think this? I was thinking of speaking to dad about it all but I’m not sure how he’d take it. After all parents don’t exactly take it well when people question their children’s behaviour do they? and I’d be worried about offending him. I can’t just leave the job either because I haven’t got anything else to go to yet and have bills/rent to pay.

I feel awful even saying all of this as they are children and innocent. We do sometimes have a nice time together (when they decide to listen) and they will occasionally give me a cuddle now and again. Dad is lovely too most of the time however sometimes I find him hard to gage (like yesterday one of the kids wanted a huge piece of cake before dinner so I said no and they told him when he arrived home and he sat there and said “oh star light is mean isn’t she”. I couldn’t really tell whether this was a joke or he actually thought that about me. It’s a shame that things aren’t working out but I just feel so deflated and that I’m shit at my job. I’ve worked with kids for nearly 10 years and I’ve never felt this way before. I also worry that they have probably said things about me to dad and I’m concerned he might get fed up of hearing negative things and get rid of me. It’s very important to me that they like me and are happy in my care but that they also respect me and understand that not everything is a game and that they do need to listen at times.
It’s quite hard finding the balance between the two.

I’m really unsure of what to do and it’s causing me so much stress at the moment. I dread the 3pm pick up from school.

AIBU?
Do I need to be firmer or am I really just a terrible nanny?

OP posts:
Ghostontoast · 11/02/2020 18:34

They sound like brats!

Could you get a job with younger children?

supernanny9 · 11/02/2020 18:35

My real name isn't star light btw just a nickname I have Blush

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IndigoHexagon · 11/02/2020 18:37

You aren’t a terrible nanny at all. I’d find another job if I were you! Sorry I can’t advise more, but it sounds like the dad has been far too laid back and he’s not going to change by the sounds of it. You aren’t their mother but it sounds as if the father wants to to play that role but without giving you the authority to make rules that he will also enforce.

MissConductUS · 11/02/2020 18:39

I think you need to have a chat with the dad about bring more consistent in the rules and how they speak to you so disrespectfully. He's not doing them any favors to raise them thinking that's okay. He also has to back you up when you make a decision.

If you can't do it as more of a team with him I'd start looking for another situation.

Blurby · 11/02/2020 18:42

I presume they're not used to being looked after than anyone other than their dad?

Life is too short to be feeling this way (and to be treated this way by both the kids and dad). I'd suggest starting to look for other work ASAP and put it down to experience.

RositaEspinosa · 11/02/2020 18:44

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Ohfrigginghellers · 11/02/2020 18:46

No you are not a terrible nanny and yes you need to be firmer. You need to nip their behaviour in the bud straight away. Them calling you names is not on. You also need to speak to the dad as he needs to be made aware of their behaviour and he needs to be on board with supporting behaviour management.

Henrysmycat · 11/02/2020 18:51

Screw that. It sounds horrendous. Look for something else. Talk to their dad and if that doesn’t change in a week, hand in your notice and move on. Life’s too short to deal with such behaviour.
We had a nanny for a while and she’s still part of our family. But every time, there was a problem, we’d discuss it and I’d support her 100%.

SmileEachDay · 11/02/2020 18:56

Where is their mum? I’m wondering whether her not being in their lives has had a significant impact. Do you know when and under what circumstances?

It sounds like they really need consistency- absolutely get the dad to agree to apply the same rules re tech. I’d also maybe go for a schedule of activities that is part negotiated (child X chooses mon child B chooses Tues) and you mandate the rest). Bearin mind that kids of that age need exercising very much like puppies- the more outside running around they do, the more chilled and happy they’ll be.

If they won’t obey safety rules, their dad needs to be aware of that, and needs to support in sanctions- removal of tech - if that happens.

SpaceDinosaur · 11/02/2020 18:58

What you do depends on what you want.

Do you want to keep the position or do you want to find another?

If you want to keep the position then you need a conversation with your employer to discuss the children's behaviours and boundaries, his expectations of their manners and how they should interact with each other and other adults.
I would literally ask "how do you cross the road with them because they are consistently attempting to run into and across the road whilst in my care and their responses to being told how unsafe it is is to laugh in my face"

"I appreciate that you don't want the boys to use tablets and phones after school and that's brilliant. It certainly ensures productive time and that we can engage in activities. However I'm finding that they are now spending the whole time refusing to engage with me and begging for their technology telling me that "daddy lets them" and of course what you do with them is absolutely your choice but I think the boys would benefit from some consistent expectations from us both."

Tell him that in addition to verbal abuse of you, the boys threaten to call or text dad to tell tales. You fully appreciate that the boys having a clear and open method of communicating with their father is essential but would appreciate deciding between you both how best to address the situation so the boys don't use their father as a tool to manipulate their nanny into providing less than ideal care for them.

Go through it all.
TBH you're very diplomatic. To me they sound like brats.
Refusing to walk, for me would have been. "Ok, if you don't want to finish walking to the park that's your choice and I respect it. We can absolutely go straight home. If you go home we will not be going to the park. Do you understand me? If your leg is too poorly to walk the 5 minutes to the park then it is too poorly to play there. You will have to sit on the sofa and colour until dinner time instead.
Your choice"

Make clear firm boundaries and bloody stick to them. Yes, one child loses out because the other plays up. Only, the other child is invited to help you bake something or make tea. His brother can't, his leg's too bad!

Toria70 · 11/02/2020 19:17

Talk to Dad. Say you're struggling with inconsistency, and can you both agree on some ground rules?

If it carries on, then walk away. His parenting, his problem.

CauliflowerBalti · 11/02/2020 19:18

Kids sound vile - and this is your one life, you sound like a brilliant nanny, this might not be the right family for you and that's not your fault.

That said - tell us why your nickname is star light.....

Oly4 · 11/02/2020 19:23

I’d also talk to the dad. Tell him about the examples above and how he’s like you to handle these situations. Especially the bit where they threaten to call him at work!
Any decent parent will back you up.
I’d definitely do that before looking for another job. Kids will push and push but if dad is on your side, you can be firmer with them

butterpuffed · 11/02/2020 19:28

If the boys have previously had a nanny , how long was it for and do you know whether they got on with her ?

Svrjxtsvdjtot · 11/02/2020 19:37

If you're tempted to walk away, there is no harm having a frank conversation with the dad anyway. Make it clear that you need to come down hard on the boys, as they are being disrespectful and putting themselves into dangerous situations. Just to reestablish some boundaries, not because you have suddenly turned mean or anything. And warn him that he might get them trying to tell tales on you, as they are using that as a threat currently, but that you need him to have your back. Or to remind the boys (ideally with you there) that they are to listen to you when you are in charge. As a parent, i would want to know if my children were behaving this way, as i want the best for them. You are not rubbish at your job, just need a bit more parental support.
If you can't face the conversation with the dad, i'd risk calling the biys' bluff and if they try the 'i'll tell dad' line, just go with 'ok, shall i call him now for you and let him know you are doing xyz?'. Bet they won't want you to...
Re. engaging them, remove all technology, put some toys out and leave them to it. You'll be surprised how quickly they get used to playing etc.

SnoozyLou · 11/02/2020 19:41

I'd present him with your numbered list and tell him he needs to do something about it, or you're off. He's undermining you at every turn to make him look like the good guy. The reality is he isn't doing anyone any favours at all, particularly not them.

You can't undo years of his parenting. I'm sure he's not all bad, but it seems glaringly obvious that he's making your position untenable. I wonder how many nannies he got through before you?

I don't think you've any option but to leave if he won't work with you. The road safety issue is a massive concern because you can bet your arse if something happened he'd blame you (not to mention how you'd feel anyway).

I think that was a really twatish comment about you being mean. I'd ask for clarification on whether you should just let them have the cake next time.

katy1213 · 11/02/2020 19:43

I'd spell it out to the dad. If he doesn't come on board, then start looking for another job. He won't be able to keep the next nanny either.

supernanny9 · 11/02/2020 19:44

Wow - thank you so much for all your lovely replies, it really has made me feel better and I've realised that I shouldn't put myself down as I do the very best I can.

To answer some of your questions - (sorry if I miss any) ...

  • there isn't a mum (basically she doesn't exist) I can't give too many details as it'll be very outing but I'm sure you can all work it out... it's always just been them and dad so they don't know any different although I'm sure they do wonder sometimes.
  • they have had nannies before, but it was when they were babies/toddlers so probably don't remember very much.

I really like all the ideas here and I agree I need to be a lot more firmer and perhaps a bit more thick skinned (I can be quite sensitive at times so that's probably not helping either).

In regards to the walk today - I did at one point say "right we're going straight home if you can't behave" but in the end caved because it was part of their homework and I wanted to make sure it was done in case their teacher or dad asked why we hadn't done it. It's frustrating to me, because we had such a lovely time once we were there, it was just such a bloody battle to get there and unfortunately most activities that we do are always this way. They make things extremely difficult when they don't need to.

I'm not sure how dad would react tbh and I think this is what puts me off raising the issues. I was quite upset when he made the joke yesterday about the cake and the fact that I was mean. I understand it's a joke but the kids probably don't and I think this is possibly one of the reasons why they think it's okay to talk to me like shit, because they think dad does (when in fact he's only teasing).

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SmileEachDay · 11/02/2020 19:50

there isn't a mum (basically she doesn't exist) I can't give too many details as it'll be very outing but I'm sure you can all work it out... it's always just been them and dad so they don't know any different although I'm sure they do wonder sometimes

I can’t work it out. One of them had mum around for at least 2 years. There is likely to be significant attachment difficulty.

Blurby · 11/02/2020 19:54

No, what he said about you "being mean" (which you're not!) is not adult behaviour and it isn't nice. It was way out of line. And is an eye opener as to why his kids act so disrespectfully.

But I get it, it's an awkward conversation to have. Maybe write down some of the great advice given in this thread and use that as a starting point to frame a conversation with the dad.

You can't just become more thick skinned etc overnight. You sound like a lovely person, so you need to really think, is this a job you want?

I'm sorry the boys have said hurtful things. It doesn't matter how thick skinned or tough you are, those words aren't nice to hear. Flowers

AgentCooper · 11/02/2020 19:57

Smile I’m thinking surrogacy was involved.

OP, I agree with everyone else, you sound a wonderful nanny. It sounds like it’s the dad’s parenting that’s the issue. I really feel like they can’t get away with calling you names. If talking rudely to you is something they picked up from their dad (even if he’s just teasing) then he needs to address that. If that carries on as they get older they could end up with pretty horrible attitudes towards people who don’t give them their way, especially women.

ElizabethMountbatten · 11/02/2020 20:00

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SmileEachDay · 11/02/2020 20:08

Smile I’m thinking surrogacy was involved

No reason to think there won’t be attachment difficulties if that’s the case, in exactly the same way there are with children adopted from birth.

Janedoe82 · 11/02/2020 20:10

I don’t think they sound like brats- I think they sound like little boys in desperate need of a mum and a firm attachment to someone.
You need to have a frank conversation with their dad- he probably doesn’t know a huge amount about attachment and brain development. Have a read up on the Solihull approach.

Missarad · 11/02/2020 20:13

Maybe ask to use ipad together and do tt rockstars? Prep for y4 online test?

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