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AIBU?

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AIBU to feel pissed off about this work thing?

51 replies

cocktailsatdawn · 06/02/2020 17:57

I work as part of a small team of four within a larger department. Our team is made up of two full-timers and two part-timers. I am one of the full-timers.

Our team keeps getting criticised for an expense we are responsible for being too high. I have worked really hard to ensure that I keep things as efficient as possible, as does the other full-timer.

The part timers just come in and do things in whatever way gets the work done fastest and easiest without worrying about the expenses. When we have our monthly 'team' meetings, the part-timers are rarely there, so when the manager rants on about the expenses getting out of control etc, they are not there to hear it.

Myself and the other full-timer have tried to get across that the problems are due to the part timers not taking the expenses into account, but the response of the manager, is that we are a no blame department, so he doesn't want to get into the business of assigning blame to individuals. He has also started to prefix the expenses telling off speeches with "I don't want to hear people getting defensive about how its not their fault..."

I feel that I am spending more and more of my working time correcting the work done by the part-timers on my days off, but its still not enough to rectify the impact made on the expenses.

AIBU to be feeling increasingly pissed off about all this? I have tried to suggest that it might be nice to move the meetings to a day of the week when the part timers are typically in so they can attend our meetings too, but the manager says he can't fit it in any other time.

OP posts:
TwoHeadedYellowBelliedHoleDig · 06/02/2020 18:50

I've got an idea....

YABU to take it as seriously as you do, but I understand it's easy to get caught up in it.

bluebellforest · 06/02/2020 18:50

rvby
I get ya! 😂

adaline · 06/02/2020 18:51

YANBU, I get pissed off about things like this too. It's like whole-class detentions at school - all it does is upset the innocent people, but the guilty never really face proper consequences.

Is there any way you can prove that the excess spending is down to certain members of the team?

littledrummergirl · 06/02/2020 18:53

GrinConfusedHmmGrin

CakeandCustard28 · 06/02/2020 18:56

Sorry @rvby what was that? Didn’t quite get that Grin

rockingaroundthemulberrybush · 06/02/2020 18:58

@rvby, you got your point across!

squeakyheart · 06/02/2020 19:00

So by rinse and repeat you mean....

Drum2018 · 06/02/2020 19:00

@rvby when I read your first post I agreed, and I agree with the many more repeated posts Grin

Casualbride · 06/02/2020 19:01

Rvby but why did the last one say it’s just capitalism when all the others say job?! I’m intrigued!

Oulu · 06/02/2020 19:02

It's difficult to believe that, in an entire month, the manager can't find a different time for team meetings. How can it be a real team meeting if two fifths of the team aren't there? Can you take this above his or her head if they won't be sensible about it?

cocktailsatdawn · 06/02/2020 19:06

Thank you, its really good to get some outside perspective on this.

I know its getting to me more than it should, I just don't know how to let it go when its being brought up time and time again.

Its easy to prove who is responsible for what spending, and we have presented the info, but the manager just repeats the whole "no blame" thing.

OP posts:
cocktailsatdawn · 06/02/2020 19:09

The meeting has been in the same spot for forever and a day. The manager does have a really packed schedule, but there are things on it that could be switched around to accommodate a change. He just won't do it.

The minutes do get emailed to the part-timers who read them, sign them, hand them to the manager and then carry on as they did before.

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Batqueen · 06/02/2020 19:15

I would make the point that clearly the same issue is coming up frequently so having a meeting with the same people present to reiterate the same point is not going to work unless everyone is present. It isn’t about blame it’s about consistency.

ClaraMumsnet · 06/02/2020 19:17

We're sorry your post posted, er...26 times rvby. Just reassuring you and anyone else reading that it didn't break talk guidelines, we just removed the duplicates.

rvby · 06/02/2020 19:26

lol.

@Casualbride, I clicked post, it didn't post, and I thought actually that's good, I shouldn't say capitalism because maybe op is in the public sector and doesn't see her job as capitalism etc. and it will just cause a side conversation that doesn't help her.

I changed that and clicked post again. And then went on my way. And came back here and apparently i broke the internet

Spam88 · 06/02/2020 19:31

Well there's an important lesson here in not believing the error message that says your reply hasn't posted 😂

OP, I understand your frustration, but you need to play this the way your manager wants. Can you not suggest that written procedures are put in place so that things have to be done a particular way (ie the way you're doing them)?

DessertQueen · 06/02/2020 19:32

And came back here and apparently i broke the internet

Grin
ScrommidgeClaryAndSpunt · 06/02/2020 19:40

A "no-blame" culture, except when the manager's having a go. Yeah. No. Sounds like a shit manager who's not able for it, and "no-blame" in fact means "I am not going to deal with this issue so do not want to hear details".

Think you'd all be quite justified in telling him that you're all fed up with hearing the same spiel time and again, you've told him what the issue is and he needs to do his bloody job and sort it.

Is there anyone at the next level up from him you could approach?

MerryDeath · 06/02/2020 19:41

lol.. is it printing

Clymene · 06/02/2020 19:49

It's the manager's problem. You aren't managing the part time people so it's not your problem.

Speak to him after the meeting, he's your manager and he needs to manage. He's not.

adaline · 06/02/2020 19:50

Its easy to prove who is responsible for what spending, and we have presented the info, but the manager just repeats the whole "no blame" thing.

It sounds to me like ineffective management, then. If there is proof that person A is responsible, then person A should shoulder the blame. It's absolutely not right to blame the people who happen to be sat in front of him just because he's "too busy" to speak to the person involved.

I've been there and it sucks. I actually left a job recently because of similar - it really gets to you over time.

MrOnionsBumperRoller · 06/02/2020 19:50

Oh poo. I thought RVBY had gone on a crazy insulting splurge after giving sage advice. How very dissapointing. As you were.

Casualbride · 06/02/2020 19:58

Rvby ahh, that makes total sense!

TechnicalSergeantGarp · 06/02/2020 20:17

Dashboard by name outlining expenditure sounds like an excellent idea. Maybe I a no blame culture they would stay in the team?
I'd accompany this by lesson learned log of what you and your other colleague have done to reduce expenses is included.

The meeting note needs to reflect smart goal for reducing the spend. By X date the expenses for xyz will reduce to £. You can target this by prioritising the largest or most common errors. Then you need to toot your own horn rather than your boss taking the glory for feck all.

It must be frustrating to sit in a meeting asking you to improve when you are working optimally. I'd adopt your manager's stance and report against my targets and compliance with guidelines.

Your boss doesn't have to hold a formal team meeting. This must or should come up in their performance reviews.

It's bad form that your manager is so inflexible and holds team meetings on non-working days for half the team.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 06/02/2020 21:37

Just came on to say you have a manager problem!Grin