To worry about employment rights now we've left the eu?

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I know nothing will change during the transition period, but after that.

Dh works for a company that gives the absolute legal minimum in terms of holiday entitlement, working hours, in fact they break the law.

I work in the public sector so general have very good terms and conditions, but in recent years management are scaling everything right back.

In both cases it's always about what's best for business but no regard to any work/life balance or health of employees. Dhs employee would almost certainly have them all working 7 days with no holiday if they could get away with it. You only have to listen to the way retail workers are treated too to see.

I think that with a Tory government that in a few years we will see employment rights torn up, which might be great for business in the short term, but will be crap quality of life for all of us plebs.

Ok, so you already think it's crap with current legislation and assume it will get worse?

What has been scaled back in terms of your rights?

And has your husband reported his firm for breaking the law?

How is worrying going to help?

11 months of this isn’t going to help anyone.

The Govt is not going to alienate the entire work (voting) force

Calm down.

I'm an employment solicitor. The likelihood of much changing for the majority is low. Oh and we've had a Tory government for quite some time now so thinking that just because we have another one it will change anything is a bit odd .

The min wage was brought in without the EU.

Your husband needs to get a new job and stop accepting his ILLEGAL working conditions. The uk law has and will always protect him. The uk law is different than other EU counties.

I dont think there will be a sudden removal of things like annual leave and statutory sick pay. I"m less sure about the working time directive eroding quicker.
But i do think we have two terms of Tory rule ahead and in the second term there might be a bit of an alignment with the usa.

Do you really think the Tories are going to rip up employments rights? Really? You really are gullible. They are not going to want to lose the votes they gained. If anything, they’ll get better. Please stop listening to the scaremongering from the left. I’m minimum wage. I’m not worried in the slightest

The U.K. were the major forces for pushing change within the EU for many of the employment laws.
I can’t see anything dramatically changing and if they do- vote them out.

I think people forget that the U.K. has always been one of the leading countries in the world for legislation on all kinds of things from employment to animal welfare.

We weren’t forced into any of these things by the eu

The conservatives have shown time & time again they are clueless and incompetent . I think people are being incredibly naive if they expect rights and fair treatment for all

Labour brought in unfair dismissal rights after 12 months. The Tories changed it to 24 months when they subsequently got into power allowing employers to dismiss fairly easily in the first 2 years of employment so I dont think you're being unreasonable.

YanBu- I have had over twenty years experience in this sector and I am aware that being part of the European Union ensured that we had stringent Employment legislation. I fear that there will be changes to Employment legislation which will have an adverse effect on workers rights

Employment Rights and the Withdrawal agreement Bill, Indicates that many rights will be eroded after Brexit

No the EU did not 'make us have employment rights' but it was what gave us a hard limit on what a Government could take away.

Without that limit they can do what they want.

Rights for the poorest and most vulnerable in the most unstable employment will go, as will rights for women, all because those groups aren't the ones the Tories want to keep sweet. Provision for the wealthy, the aspirational middle class and the elderly, who typically DO get out and vote, that is what will keep them in power.

It isn't very difficult to convince people that 'you shouldn't be paying for someone to choose to sit at home all day and be paid for the privilege' regardless of whether the reason they aren't working is because they are disabled, a carer, or have just pushed a baby out. Particularly if they themselves had hard times or had to go back to work: "well I had it bad so other people should too".

This was the reason I was genuinely devastated the morning after the referendum. The people this will disproportionately affect will be people trying to keep their heads above water; they won't have time or energy to fight and campaign. If you don't believe me, the next time someone posts on here wanting advice because they can't feed their children and have no heating, I want you to consider posting "you should be protesting outside Parliament and lobbying your MP" and if that sounds fatuous and unkind, and 'of course I wouldn't post that!' consider that it's not the people affected who are in a position to do that fighting and that those of us better off should stop turning a blind eye and chucking some 50p noodles in the donation trolley once a fortnight to save our consciences...

I actually think there is a general move by many companies to give in excess of the "statutory" working rights, rather than the erosion of those rights. Many of the young workers I know now have longer holidays, flexible working, good pensions etc etc.

Employment rights were one of the reasons I voted to remain. I've always thought that one of the reasons some Tories were so vehemently opposed to EU membership was because the legal framework prevented them from exploiting the plebs too much.

That said, it hasn't prevented zero hour contracts.

I feel fairly sure that from Jan 2021 the economic situation will be used as a excuse to dismantle employment rights - starting with agency workers and the transfer of undertakings regulations. The first thing the coalition government did when it came to power was increase the time you had to be employed before you could claim for unfair dismissal from 1 year to 2. And the reason that doesn't apply to discrimination cases is because of EU law. Excuse was austerity.

A caveat to that is that although Cameron seemed all reasonable and woke and introduced gay marriage, in some ways his regime was very right wing, and there is some scope to think that Boris is less right wing in that context (lying to the queen to prorogue parliament is anti-democratic but that isn't strictly relevant to his views on employment rights). Also his new northern MPs won't want employment rights trashed.

So we will see. But I am not very hopeful.

Baaaahhhhh - what sort of companies are they -is that more professional types jobs or more retail sector, carer, delivert driver type jobs. I dont know many people startin out at the mo due to my age.

I actually think there is a general move by many companies to give in excess of the "statutory" working rights, rather than the erosion of those rights. Many of the young workers I know now have longer holidays, flexible working, good pensions etc etc

Yes in the case of the more reputable companies and their HQ workers. Less so for eg care workers or people on the frontline in retail.

I'll take the British maternity rights over the EU minimum any day!

This is one of my largest fears as well. The EU seemed to keep the most cruel and unfair of Tory policy in check, now there will be no repercussions when they have a majority like they do now. The electorate won't do anything, won't hold their MPs to account. And things will continue to slip downward and all we can do is pray labour wins in 2025 to reverse some of it.

I think the EU doesn't set as much precedent for employment law as we think - I was quite surprised to find out recently that it doesn't set minimum pay or maternity leave, for example.

I do worry more that the Tories' (very bad) plan for 'competitiveness' post-brexit is to cut workers' right, because morons like Priti Patel think 'productivity' is about how hard people work, and that 'people aren't working hard enough', which isn't true and won't be improved by taking away rights, in fact the opposite. And they will claim that they 'couldn't have done it' while in Europe, when they probably could have anyway.

Leaving the EU makes it easier for the government to worsen employment rights but it doesn't mean this will necessarily happen. I guess it depends on how much you trust the government.

Another employment lawyer here.

Many of the UK statutory rights are far in excess of the EU required minimums.

For the most part there’s an agreement not to erode the current rights that exist (whether in legislation or at common law) so the only thing that should change is that we are no longer bound by any further changes at European level.

I didn’t want to leave but I’m not overly concerned about workers rights as a result of Brexit - frankly the Tory government could cause far more damage with or without the EU anyway.

always had to opt out of the working time directive anyway so if I was still in those jobs, no difference.

we have labour laws, if they are being broken and not enforced the EU is irrelevant, in or out. Home grown problem.

Grasspigeons - Yes professional roles, but the companies extend the same T&C's to all employees.

If your husband's company break the law anyway, then how was being in the EU benefiting him?

You're panicking over potentially nothing. None of us know what would have happened whether we left or stayed. We will just have to wait and see.