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To be upset with this counsellor taking sides

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Anotheruser02 · 30/01/2020 13:59

I’ve been having problems for years now with my child’s Dad, he is the definition of Disney parent, but so keen to be seen as better than that, that he constantly tells my Son to lie to me about things he’s done, things he’s said, things he's bought him, what time my Son is allowed to stay up until…… pretty much every area of his life there. The thing is I don’t actually ask what goes on there the only things I know are from what slips out. When my Son was small and his Dad had him two days a week he used to give him to his Grandmother for half of that time and both he and the lying Nan used to pretend that it was actually him looking after him and they were just visiting her. She lied to my face about this many times.

Anyway it all came to a head last year as he also manipulates my Son in other ways and he completely ruined two events last year for us, one of them being our holiday in the summer and then at the end of the year my Son come home telling me that his Dad was scared of me, he said that he’d lost something that I’d sent there and that Daddy was “really panicking” because he was scared of my reaction (the item wasn’t even lost it was at my house and was of no importance at all)
I spoke to the school counsellor because I was worried about my Son always being told to lie to me, that it makes him more vulnerable to manipulation from outside of his family in the future thinking that is normal, that he has always had me portrayed as uptight and unapproachable by being told I can’t know things and to get advice on how much I can or should open my Sons eyes to recognise when he is being manipulated.

The school counsellor recommended a counsellor she knows to have a couple counselling session to work on our co parenting, this is where things got worse.

In this session I explained some of the incidents where he and his family had lied to me, where my Son had been told to lie to me and cover up for things and this counsellor made excuses for him for every single incident, he said my son probably made things up, my Son probably construed things wrongly, I was probably looking at things wrongly. He dismissed everything my Son had said, every time my Son was speaking to me and suddenly stopped because he’d realised he had said something he had been told not to, every time my Son gave away something he had been told not to and then suddenly back tracked, all of the times that the evidence there was pointing in the direction of my Son telling the truth and expected me to completely dismiss my own instincts and ability to recognise what was right in front of me. I looked like a paranoid person and my Child’s Dad was so very comfortable with all of the blame being pushed at my Son it actually made me see him in a worse light. This was nearly a month ago and I still can’t let go of it, I’m still so angry that this person who doesn’t know us would so quickly dismiss something that has been going on for my Son’s whole life that has me so worried about him and that is undermining his relationship with me. He just thought that my Son’s Dad was such a nice person there was no way I could be right about him.
Does this sound right? Is that what we signed up for and I just expected something different? I thought I would talk and his Dad would answer, but actually he didn’t even need to deny much because the counsellor did it for him. I’m still so upset by it.

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Anotheruser02 · 30/01/2020 13:59

Sorry I didn't realise how long that would be!

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RedWine123 · 30/01/2020 14:37

Just imagining myself in your place is quite anxiety inducing! It’s not right that his Dad is manipulating him. I too would be really angry about this as your son should feel like he can tell you anything without having to think about it first.

Could you ask for a different counsellor? I don’t think this sounds right at all. Sounds like the counsellor is really lazy and dismissive actually.

I hope things get sorted out soon x

hettie · 30/01/2020 14:48

'counsellors' are unregulated and so vary hugely in competence....This is even more true for couples and family 'counsellors'' who often do a one yr diploma mostly focused on individual counseling and then claim competency in systemic issues. Unless he/she was Relate trained and/or on the register for the Association of Family Therapists then you've likely been seeing someone who was not suitably qualified...find one who is and explore these issues with them.

YouNeedIceForThat · 30/01/2020 14:57

Get a new counsellor pronto!

Happityhap · 30/01/2020 14:57

That sounds appalling.
Clearly you know facts about many of the things that happened - not just what your son said.
The counsellor sounds worse than useless.

MyOwnSummer · 30/01/2020 15:15

Your ex is a wanker.
The counsellor is also a wanker.

Teaching the kid to lie, what a disgraceful thing to do. Fucking arseholes, the pair of them.

springydaff · 30/01/2020 15:24

I'd report him.

Try BACP for where to report this 'counsellor'.

Shockingly bad. Shocking Angry

Whatisthisfuckery · 30/01/2020 15:28

Sounds like the counsellor is as abusive as the dad. I’d ditch the counsellor and go with your own instincts as to how to handle it tbh. In my very vast experience even the most seasoned of professionals can be unwitting enablers at worst, or splinter arsed fence sitters at best. There are very few people, counsellors and SWs alike who truly understand and recognise the dynamics of abuse, and they project their lack of understanding onto you therefore enabling the abuser. Sad but true I’m afraid.

Unfortunately I very much suspect there’s little you can do to change the behaviour of the father, such is the nature of these sorts, so you need to find your own ways of mitigating the harm. Always remember, you do not have to send your DS to his father unless there is a court order in place, and he’ll have to take you to court if he wants to force the issue.

I would however keep a log of when these little lies pop out and all other events and interactions that get your spidy senses tingling. You never know when they might come in handy as evidence so having them to hand is always a good thing. Don’t rely on memory alone. One thing I do with my DS’s father is record all phone calls and screenshot text conversations.

Modestandatinybitsexy · 30/01/2020 15:33

Isn't this why you're not supposed to see a counsellor with someone who's manipulating you? I don't think couples counselling would work for two people who don't have a relationship to build on.

I think you should explore counselling for your son to give him a coping mechanism for the abusive tactics his dad is using on him.

Whatisthisfuckery · 30/01/2020 15:35

Also, what I have always told my son is that children keeping secrets with or for adults is very bad, because if an adult doesn’t want people to know then it’s quite likely it’s because they know they are behaving badly and other people would know it was bad, and sometimes adults try to convince children that what they’re doing is ok when it most certainly isn’t, and if nobody else knows then there’s nobody to keep them safe.

AngstyAnnie · 30/01/2020 15:51

I just knew before you said it that it would be a male counselor... you crazy unreasonable woman you!

Your ex sounds terrible and the counselor is an idiot OP.

RuffleCrow · 30/01/2020 15:57

I woud find out who this 'counsellor' is registered with and make a formal complaint listing everything you've said here and the exact words used. Then i would demand they recommend you someone who is able to excercise neutrality in line with whatever code of practise they've signed up to.

AnastasiaBeverleyHills · 30/01/2020 16:48

Couples counsellors should not take sides. Get another counsellor

Anotheruser02 · 30/01/2020 18:51

Thank you for the responses. I half expected to be asked if maybe I was blowing it up in my mind a bit, which is what DS's Dad was suggesting in the session!!

The advice about what to say to my Son is especially useful as this was a last ditch attempt to get through to his Dad and that will never happen now. So helping my Son to see things is the way forward I think.

There is no way I would try anything like counselling again with him, my confidence in him just listening is shot to bits, the guy was like playdough in his hands. At the beginning he launched into a fucking monologue about how I was a great Mum and he would never hear a word said against me and he didn't want to argue with me!!

One of the things raised when I say he manipulates him in other ways is the way he gets all insecure when we have nice plans, if we are doing something my DS is particularly looking forward to the he will lay it on thick to DS about how he is really going to miss DS on that specific date when he is out with me/ on holiday with me. So the thing we are doing becomes all about DS feeling sorry for him rather than being allowed to just live in the moment with the person he's actually with.
It was one of the few things the counsellor actually didn't jump in and defend. It couldn't have been more obvious that he uses it as a tool to be in the front of his mind when he is supposed to be enjoying something.

I talked about last year when I took my Son to the X Factor tour because he loved it on the TV and had favourite acts in it, after the show when we left all the kids were on a high because it had been a really fun event, except my DS who was flat as a pancake saying "do you think my Daddy's working hard tonight? he said he will miss me at work", it actually turned a the whole thing a bit somber and I wished we hadn't bothered because if it was just a normal night at home he'd have been happier. Then same when we went on holiday in the summer he was really excited about it all "how many days is it now?" until about a week before then suddenly really moody saying "how are we even getting to France?, why are we going there?" after probing it transpired that his Dad was saying he would really miss him when he was away, I text him and asked him to cut it out and play our holiday down, we were not even going on his days with him and it wasn't going to effect him, he agreed and said he didn't mean anything by it and didn't want to spoil his holiday. DS went there for his normal contact the following day and when I picked him up the next night on the way to the ferry port as soon as he gets in the car DS says "Daddy let me sleep in his room last night because he's not going to see me for so long" so the complete opposite of playing it down. After arguing about that and him denying it, and then saying "Fine I wont tell him I miss him" the counsellor then jumped in and said "Isn't that a bit sad though, if he's never allowed to tell someone he'll miss them?" So I felt like he kind of gave his Dad permission to carry on something that is making my Son feel guilty if he ever leaves him behind and enjoys something with me.

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Milkcomesfromcows · 30/01/2020 19:00

That counsellor is a joke. This is so damaging, I'm really hoping someone has good suggestions.

Ex is an absolute piece of shit for what he's doing to his kid.

lucida00 · 30/01/2020 19:16

OP, I am a therapist and this is appalling. I suspect this counsellor is not a properly qualified one. If you do wish to continue seeing someone, you can look up a BACP registed or accredited therapist. Or someone on counselling-directory.org.uk, where everyone listed is accredited / registered with a professional body. Sorry this happened to you.

Anotheruser02 · 30/01/2020 19:46

Thank you, I don't think I would ever go to a joint counselling session again, but would consider it for my Son one day as a pp suggested up thread. At the moment my Son is happy, he doesn't realise how dysfunctional everything is, he gets treated like the first kid ever born there and all he has to do is keep his mouth shut about it when he's with me. It's his normal.

I've taken to keeping our special plans from my Son so he can't tell his Dad it's a shame because we can never enjoy the build up to something, but worth it if we can enjoy the actual event without it being tampered with. There's always something new though, that's my worry like the Daddy being scared of me thing just came from nowhere.

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