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talk to me about accents

124 replies

stripeypillowcase · 22/01/2020 18:50

I am curious.
what is it about a strong accent that make people think the speaker is not very bright/uneducated? especially rural accents?

I have a strong accent myself, speak 3 languages fluently, went to university, have a good job...

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Thewarrenerswife · 23/01/2020 10:08

@TheYearOfTheDog
The point is, you will rarely find these accents, if ever in certain professions. Not because people from Birmingham don’t become surgeons, or because people from Essex don’t become Therapists. It’s because, as so many people above have proved... people ditch their ‘local’ accents in order to ‘fit in’.

It can of course sometimes work the either way. Like when Tony Blair started with his glottal stop in order to reach out beyond his privileged upbringing and appeal to old Labour supporters. His accent was noticeably different when on TV interviews, than when making speeches. He ‘accommodated’ as you admit you do. It’s a desire to fit in, and my point was, a brummy accent on a surgeon doesn’t ‘fit’. It’s not an accent that can be accommodating, so people seem to ditch it at Uni.

happycamper11 · 23/01/2020 16:35

If you're from a Scots speaking region of Scotland you probably use a whole raft of words that aren't commonly used, or not used at all, in English. Scots is a different thing, you can quibble over the line between language and dialect but you can't change the fact that Scotland and England are different countries with different histories that are reflected in their different linguistics.

U know this having lived and worked all over the UK and abroad, I'm aware of many words and phrases only used in Scotland and other words I thought Scottish that are used say in Bristol but not in Wolverhampton, I still wasn't aware that 'outwith' wasn't common outwith our fine shores ... I probably need to go back and proof read my CV, bare it in mind for formal letters in future 😆

CountFosco · 23/01/2020 17:12

I think because outwith is used in formal language in Scots we never think of it as being dialect. It's not like scunner or glaikit or peedie.

TheYearOfTheDog · 23/01/2020 17:17

I dont agree entirely @Thewarrenerswife
Certain enclaves are the last bastion of that cut glass accent but i have livedin london long enough to know that there are professionals with accents! Obviously the south of England has an accent too, but it isnt considered an accent by many altho it is

I see your point about Boston though.

Graphista · 24/01/2020 02:44

“but for those of us who grew up in densely populated metropolitan areas, we heard different regional and global accents every day of the week and got used to listening to the content rather than the accent early on in life.”

LOTS of research - and as we can see from this thread alone - many peoples lived experiences disprove this

As pp said certain industries do a LOT of research on this in order to maximise profits by skewing their employee pool in certain ways eg having call centres in places where the local accent is considered by likely customers to be “trustworthy” and “honest”, advertisers choose voice actors for their accent or certain accents they can do because those accents are considered marketable, companies choose the voices they have on their response systems (those most annoying “menus” we all get when we call big companies) based on this research.

It’s not mere chatter on places like mn, it’s a serious area of study with real life application.

Much of our response is subconscious, just as there’s research showing that job and uni applicants with “ethnic” names are less likely to succeed, so are applicants that attend interviews judged on their accent. Again there’s research on this where they’ve used people who can easily imitate different accents.

In the military while no longer officially allowed (supposedly) officer recruits are still ENCOURAGED to lose a “regional” accent if they have one. It’s done in subtle ways where the intention isn’t made overtly clear -

“You need to speak more clearly”
“Enunciate properly”
“Speak more slowly”

But such “encouragement” isn’t given to recruits who have Home Counties or rp accents! Even if their speech is on the sloppy side!

stripeypillowcase · 24/01/2020 07:08

I was offered enunciation lessons by my last employer. I didn't take it up though.
tbh what I find more difficult are local sayings.
for example the first few questions at 'who wants to be a millionaire'

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CaptainCallisto · 24/01/2020 07:51

I'm from Dorset originally and am frequently judged on my accent. If one more person says "oo ar oo ar get off my land!" or sings "I've got a brand new combine harvester"...

The assumption is that I'm thick, uneducated, and grew up on a farm. People always seem genuinely shocked that I a) grew up in a small town, and b) am well educated with an MA in a 'tough' subject.

Sometimes works in my favour, as a pp said, because I'm often underestimated. It comes as quite a shock to some people when the thick farmer girl out-debates them Grin

Wickedwoo · 24/01/2020 07:54

I love south African accent it's my absolute favourite

hipslikecinderella · 24/01/2020 08:00

South African accent always sounds angry to me, I find it unsettling

gingerchaos · 24/01/2020 08:05

Somebody I know was told they had failed their teaching placement because their strong Scottish accent meant they were unable to teach phonics satisfactory. They quit the course after that.

Thewarrenerswife · 24/01/2020 10:41

I think teaching phonics would be pretty difficult with a strong accent. The pure sounds would be fine, but once blended the full word wouldn’t make sense. C O W.... Coooo!

EBearhug · 24/01/2020 11:00

All of what CaptainCallisto says. Though I did actually grow up on a farm.

Areyoufree · 24/01/2020 11:14

The opposite happens as well, of course. Thinking someone is bright because they have a posh accent

Not always. There is still that "Hooray Henry" stereotype of the "thick" upper class (Harry Enfield, Tim Nice-but-dim springs to mind).

Corneliawildthing · 24/01/2020 17:16

With my accent, teaching phonics is easy because we pronounce every sound. We had stuff like "Which is the silent letter in Wednesday" when I was a kid which didn't make sense to us. Or in a play we once did - Why did you call him tortoise? Because he taught us - totally wasted Grin

Gliese163 · 24/01/2020 18:39

Somebody I know was told they had failed their teaching placement because their strong Scottish accent meant they were unable to teach phonics satisfactory. They quit the course after that.

Isn't that discrimination?

Mummyeyes · 24/01/2020 18:56

On my first day of school found out that I talk posh, and that it was bad. By age 13 I was so anxious about it that I stopped speaking for years. People are horrible.

gingerchaos · 24/01/2020 19:15

Isn't that discrimination?

In my opinion, yes.

Stinkycatbreath · 24/01/2020 19:53

@Getitwright
I am intrigued to know how someone uses body parts to answer a question? I havr an image of a a huge talking nose.Grin

Stinkycatbreath · 24/01/2020 20:04

I grew up in a city , went to school with lots of people with different accents and now work with many people whose first language may not be English. I speak with generally Manchester accent but speak clearly and dont use any dialectical words when speaking with people who may not understand. I have been complemented on how easy I am to understand. I can also tune in to accents and have some basic understanding of spoken Urdu but obviously couldn't read it. I love languages and accent. I dont think it is about accents it just about carefully choosing your words speaking clearly, listening properly and clarifying the message. I also dont think it is about intelligence either its caring about what someone else is saying. I also think experiences matter if you are exposed to a variety of accents through life its really does help you to understand what others are saying.

stripeypillowcase · 24/01/2020 20:08

I totally love the current dr who's accent!

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TooManyPaws · 24/01/2020 20:09

Im Scottish. It never occurred to me this wouldn’t be a commonly used word blush

I knew someone who worked for Hansard at Westminster. I met her for a drink when she was up on an exchange at Holyrood. She had had a briefing on the different words she could expect to hear in respectable speech from Scots politicians - like outwith and stramash. Outwith certainly appears in official government documents.

My mother was English but had picked up certain useful words from my Scots father so I never had an inkling that they were Scots rather than English. I only found out when I asked an English cousin who had asked me to lay the table where she kept her ashets! 😂

EUnamechange · 24/01/2020 20:29

Outwith is used quite a lot in the Civil Service. It's a very useful word! I came across it doing my undergrad in Scotland and there are a lot of Scottish civil servants.

EUnamechange · 24/01/2020 20:30

That's the civil service in London btw.

CountFosco · 24/01/2020 21:57

I work in England but my current and last boss are both Scottish (as am I). Even my English colleagues use outwith now, it's such a bloody useful word. Although I caught myself saying it in a telecon to some American customers and thought 'oops'.

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