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AIBU to be a selfish friend in this instance?

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MrsKahlo · 22/01/2020 16:50

I'm prepared to be told I'm a shit mate here, but I just need perspective. Its complicated so I will be spare with detail where possible and I have name changed as its outing.

I've been friends with Steve and Mark for a couple of years. They've been married for six years and I have always been primarily Steve's friend but I have a lot of time for Mark too. They are a wonderful couple who seem to be a perfect fit in almost all respects.

Mark has been in hospital for over a year and has an incurable and disabling condition. During this time his family have been horrendous to Steve who has, until recently, been the perfect partner - has advocated for Mark's care, been at every healthcare meeting and has consistently fought for Mark's best interests. Mark's parents have never liked Steve as he is the yin to Mark's yang - he is loud where mark is quiet etc.

Over the last year, things have soured to a point where they only communicate via hospital nurses and Mark to coordinate visiting times. This has made Steve very stressed and down, esp given that there have been times where it has been touch and go whether Mark would survive.

I have been there for steve throughout this time, visiting mark when he hasn't been able to due to work (Steve is a social worker and sometimes has to prioritise work), and I really care for both of them.

A few weeks ago, steve confided in me that he had feelings for a friend, Lee, who was married too, and that they had confessed this to each other but agreed as both are in relationships they wouldnt act on it. I told steve I understood and was really sympathetic as he has just had an utterly shit time throughout this whole thing and has 0 famly support himself as he lost his own parents.

I suggested he speak with Mark about it as they know each other best.

Following that conversation, Mark told Steve he should explore other relationships but that they would remain primary partners. Steve began to do this and Mark decided that it would be easier for them to divorce entirely as he felt he was holding Steve back and due to the conflict between Steve and Mark's family being so difficult to manage and Mark feeling as though he is constantly in the middle.

I hope you're still with me!

Steve's friend, Lee, has separated from.his partner at this point. They were unhappy and on the rocks before this all came out. Steve is an emotional mess - constantly running between loving Mark forever and being heartbroken at the end of his marriage and simultaneously crushing SO HARD on Lee, who is going through a separation and is treating Steve very much like an unpaid counsellor/taxi driver/personal assistant and manipulating him throughout this whole process.

Steve and Lee havent so much as kissed at this point, but Steve is constantly running to me with all the drama from both sides of this issue - on one hand, Mark's family are continuing to be arseholes with added gusto as they now have the divorce to throw at him, while hes trying to.impress Lee and present himself as a potential romantic partner to him.

Bottom line - I dont want to but I'm judging him for bailing on his sick hisband and I'm struggling to.empathise with the Lee drama. We had a bit of a to do today when I basicqlly told him he needed to back the fuck out of all the drama and work on himself and he accused me of being blunt and uncaring... and I kind of am, but am I unreasonable to be? I feel I've indulged him for months and although the situation is horrible, I feel he is making it infinitely worse. Am I a shitty friend? Any advice welcome

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RandomMess · 22/01/2020 16:55

I am no expert but...

Steve is in an emotionally vulnerable position, he needs to grieve for the loss of his marriage, the loss of Mark as the person he was and should prioritising that not getting involved with Lee.

Sounds like an absolute recipe for disaster that Steve may not recover from.

So I think home truths were needed. No idea how you get Steve to recognise he's not in the right place to support yet another person let alone get involved with them Sad

katy1213 · 22/01/2020 17:00

I'm not sure I followed all of that - but don't get involved, leave them to it. And refuse to listen to soap opera up-dates.
I remember a divorce lawyer some years ago rubbing her hands gleefully at the prospect of gay marriage - and the prospect of all those profitable gay divorces.

Bezalelle · 22/01/2020 17:25

I remember a divorce lawyer some years ago rubbing her hands gleefully at the prospect of gay marriage - and the prospect of all those profitable gay divorces.

This is disgusting and completely beside the point.

velourvoyageur · 22/01/2020 17:36

Why is that relevant, Katy? Fair enough if you increase the number of marriages then the number of divorces increases. But in the context of your initial comment it seems you believe that another factor is afoot. Your homophobia is so transparent.

Cheeseandwin5 · 22/01/2020 17:47

I think you need to cut Steve some slack here.
He has been under a lot pf pressure and stress with Mark's situation. On top of that instead of being supported he is then being hounded by Marks family.
He didn't cheat but honorable told Mark before acting. He now sees his first bit of happiness for many years no wonder is acting so desperately. To shove Marks condition in his face is poor action by you. Steve has already suffered abd will continue to suffer.
There is a reason why suicides by carers is so high, they never get the thought and support they need, on top of that even their 'friends' feel they have right to castigate them despite not really thinking about the stress.
I suggest you apologise, you say your a friend- how about acting like one

FourDecades · 22/01/2020 17:48

I judge Steve. In sickness and in health.... he should have respect for his husband and his wedding vows

needanewnamechange · 22/01/2020 18:36

I think your right why jump into another relationship?
Yeah he's had a crap time but he's kinda playing himself the victim in all this and being a drama llama. No sympathy for him sorry .

MrsKahlo · 22/01/2020 18:39

@Cheeseandwin5 this is exactly what I was worried about. I judged him not for looking elsewhere- I fully supported him and was the one who insisted he discuss it with Mark - but instead for spending his energies now chasing the drama rather than on trying to conserve his energies and look after himself and Mark as they go through this. If I ask him how Mark is (he still visits regularly and is still in love with him) I get one word responses, but if I ask how things are going in general I get 90 minute spiels about all the minutiae of his relationship with Lee.

I can see it might be a survival technique, in that hes distracting himself.from the trauma of being around Mark, but in any other situation where any friend was chasing a dickhead, I would call it as I see it and say hes a dickhead and stop chasing him. Is this the wrong approach? I get that I'm being quite bossy but I've had weeks/months of it and while I was sympathetic, it has kind of run out now.

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Sickandscared · 22/01/2020 19:15

Look he's on the rebound because Lee is a distraction from all the pain he's in. Let him off. It must be annoying to listen to but I think a bit of distance instead of home truths is the way to go here.

skiptheskip · 22/01/2020 19:24

You're not a shitty friend, you've just reached your limit in indulging Steve and all his drama.

Time for you to take a step back and take a break from it all yourself.

NewUser5678 · 22/01/2020 21:35

I'm exhausted just reading that and so sorry for everyone involved. I can completely understand how and why you have 'compassion fatigue'. The kindest thing that you can do right now for yourself, for your friends and for the long term future of your friendships is to take some time out and look after yourself.

MrsKahlo · 23/01/2020 10:35

Thanks for this, its balanced.

I do feel very crappy for him as I think he is just craving attention as his whole life for the past year has been being a carer. Also Mark has made this more difficult by initially agreeing to Steve exploring things and then backtracking and asking for a divorce, so I get that his head is just going to be a mess.

I think I need to try to be more understanding but from a distance, as suggested. I really hate drama and I find it exhausting trying to comprehend this situation and how a man who has been in a solid relationship can suddenly become putty in the hands of Lee, who is clearly using him during his own period of relationship instability. I initially could cope because I got that it was new and exciting, but now all he tells me are shitty things that Lee does (getting Steve to drive him places and do tasks for him) and I just... dont get it? Why go from one toxic situation to the next rather than just choosing to get your head straight? If he was rebounding with someone who was into him, I would see the point as there would be the benefits of the fwb situation but this is just pointless and I'm questioning if Steve is just attracted to the drama or if I'm being unnecessarily mean

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