Man-made Climate Change: it's Authoritarian Socialist Groupthink!

[SquireOfGreenway]

As Donald said today:

…This is not a time for pessimism this is a time for optimism, fear & doubt is not a good thought process; because this is a time for tremendous hope and joy and optimism and action. But to embrace the possibilities of tomorrow we must reject the perennial prophets of doom, and their predictions of the apocalypse. They are the heirs of yesterday’s foolish fortune tellers and I have them and you have them and we all have them; and they want to see us to do badly but we don’t let that happen.

They predicted an over-population crisis in the 1960s; mass starvation in the 70s; and an end of oil in the 1990s. These alarmists always demand the same thing: absolute power to dominate, transform and control every aspect of our lives. We will never let radical socialists destroy our economy, wreck our country or eradicate our liberty.

America will always be the proud, strong and unyielding bastion of freedom. In America we understand what the pessimists refuse to see - that a growing & vibrant market economy focused on the future lifts the human spirit and excites creativity strong enough to overcome any challenge, ANY CHALLENGE, by far...

Greta: Work on your Anger Management, Go to a movie with a friend, Chill!

If all predictions are true then what is the point in us doing anything. We’re doomed and the biggest polluters are uninterested.

If we're doomed surely it's better to have tried to do something rather than just sitting around blaming everyone else? If nobody tries at all there really is no hope. On the other hand there is a chance that if we do try and develop new technology etc even those countries that aren't interested in climate change may get on board if it offers them some benefit.

Basically sitting down and saying there's no point doing anything until somebody else does is a bloody terrible idea.

It isn't Trump that started this though!

Years ago the IPCC nigh on debunked itself with its, erm, manipulation of the truth. It former chief, Nobel prize winner Rajendra Pachauri has proved himself again and again to be les than truthful, or salubrious.

Had the IPCC never manipulated data, told half truths or blagged science we would have had more valued and trusted data. As it is we are still beng told of research that has had to be re-done/re-read because of their actions.

That they can be, have been and continue to be questioned at all levels, from the behaviour of individuals to their very truthfulness, fuels al sorts of diatribe and worse, stops anything being done as people stop and query them, science and any deducations made.

We'd have more of an honest idea on what we can do had the IPCC been honest from the start! But they weren't, they over egged a lot of things, for funding, personal glory, personal monetary gain and so here we are, arguing between a madman and an outraged child!

@Muminabun
Apparently 50% of emissions come from six countries who have little intention to stop so if Europe and the US went carbon neutral tomorrow would that make a huge difference?

Considering the US is the 2nd highest overall and 3rd highest per capita producer of carbon emissions then yes, it would make a huge difference.

So I clicked on YANBU at first because I thought you were being sarcastic. I now realise you are deluded so I've clicked YABU

As Donald said today read out today.

Fixed that for you.

@Muminabun the medieval warm period was localised to the northern hemisphere rather than the global rise we are seeing now and had nothing like the unprecedented rate of change we are seeing.

@Muminabun

climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

@Muminabun the medieval warming period was nowhere near as dramatic as this present worldwide rise in temperature - global warming in the present has caused dramatic changes in the stability of the climate with increased storms & swings of excessive precipitation & drought ditto with temperature - the weirding of the climate change has led to long term durations of these extremes - record breaking drought, floods & even snow storms (& that sounds odd but strangely its all a part of the whole) increases in the number of hurricanes -decreases in glaciers in areas where they have been constants for thousands of years (ie not thawed during "medieval warming period -check Greenland & the Himalayas & most of all decreases in LAND ice on the Antarctic - note the apparent(note apparent) seasonal increase in sea ice maybe a strange artefact of this. While there are (apparent) records of occasional days of high temperature in Australia (with questions about the accuracy & objectivity of the measurements - where the instruments calibrated correctly?) the point is the duration & that it covered the whole of Australia not just one area, which made it so scary) As noted the short warming period than swung down to a mini ice age - this Global Warming may cause disruption to ocean & jet stream warming in some local areas but the overall outlook for the world is an increasing erratic climate which will get hotter & some countries will find food & water security unsustainable. We are finding that there is an increase in the depth of the ocean which is leading to the flooding of many islands & increasing severity of flooding of low lying countries -