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AIBU?

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Is it abuse or alcoholism?

39 replies

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 13:59

Hi

I would appreciate some clarity please.

I've been with my husband for 8 years. He is caring and considerate and would do anything for me and my daughter. But he's also known for his short fuse but not in a harmful way. It is a running joke in my family and they tend to tread carefully around him. He's always got on very well with my family.

However, he has angry 'episodes'. These can vary in scale from a few choice words because of something we've done to upset him, to him saying that he hates his life and wishes he wasn't married.
Over time i've put it down to who he is but its slowly started to affect me. He's never been like it in front of anyone, until very recently and now others have experienced his 'Jekyll and Hyde' personality. Something small can erupt into him throwing nasty comments and accusations about me, my daughter or my family. Most recently he asked for my wedding ring back and said he didn't want to be with me anymore. Unfortunately, because he gets so personal, things escalate and i end up retaliating. My daughter who is 13 was obviously scared because i later found out that she almost dialled 999.
Angry outbursts are happening every few weeks and every time i make notes of whats happened. Its quite sad when i read it back to myself.
A couple of years there was a situation where furniture was broken and the police were called. He was escorted from the house and spent a week elsewhere before i took him back.

He says that he loves us - he doesn't want to lose me and worships the ground we walk on. But how can somebody feel this way and then completely slag off his wife and 13yr old daughter?? Is it acceptable to call a child a 'rude, ignorant, brat' even in a moment of anger?
I've asked him why he gets the way he does but he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong? He says its me because i don't talk to him? He's been very rude to house guests recently, who almost went home because of his attitude, but he doesn't think he's done anything wrong?

To add to this, i believe he is an alcoholic. Over the years I have found empty bottles and cans, usually in the same places in the garage or in his bags if we're away. He never appears to be drunk but sometimes his angry and erratic behaviour is like he needs a fix of something? Unfortunately i now go looking for empties and photograph what i find.

I should add that he is in the military and we are in military housing. I have secretly visited welfare and they have said that there isn't much they can do. They've suggested that my only option is to encourage him to seek couples counselling and if he refuses, to separate. I know he won't go for couples counselling as i suggested this when he smashed the house up. he said he doesn't want anyone else knowing our business.

What do i do????

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PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:03

Why can’t he be both and an alcoholic? He sounds absolutely horrible. Flowers

It sounds like you need to start making plans to get away from him. Have you thought about contacting Women’s Aid? They can help with this sort of thing.

PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:03

That should say both abusive and an alcoholic.

MitziK · 08/01/2020 14:05

Being abusive and being an alcoholic aren't mutually exclusive.

Add in any PTSD/effects of service and you really do need to ignore the cause and deal with the effect - that he is being abusive verbally and physically (smashing up the house).

HappyHammy · 08/01/2020 14:06

Could he have something like depression or PTSD maybe related to his work. People do have angry out bursts and sometimes there is a underlying reason but they need to be controlled. I would be encouraging him to see the medical officer. If he refuses or becomes aggressive at that suggestion can you and your dd stay somewhere safe. In the meantime I qouls not challenge him.

Aquamarine1029 · 08/01/2020 14:07

You leave him, that's what you do. He an abusive alcoholic and he's getting worse all the time. Please don't allow your daughter to suffer anymore abuse from him. Her view of what a healthy relationship should be has already been severely damaged. I hope it can one day be repaired, but it will be an uphill battle.

He is caring and considerate and would do anything for me and my daughter.

Really? Not according to literally every other thing you wrote. He'll do "anything" for you except stop being abusive and drinking, apparently. Raise the bar.

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:08

The problem, it's not constant. but generally few weeks between each episode.
He is lovely until he gets angry. But because i can never give him specific examples of his actions, he belittles me and makes me feel as though i'm making a fuss about nothing?

At the weekend he announced that he'd made arrangements and would be leaving on Monday, but because things had settled and obviously sorted in his mind, he didnt go anywhere. Now i'm in a difficult position of things looking ok, but i know they will change again soon

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AFistfulofDolores1 · 08/01/2020 14:12

So you think abusive people are constantly acting out? The truth is, they aren't - because it is the calmer, 'good' times that convince their partners that it's worth staying.

HappyHammy · 08/01/2020 14:14

How can he leave if he is in military housing. Where would he go. Youre walking on eggshells and thats not fair on you or dd.

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:19

How can he leave? Apparently his option would to move on base

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FagAsh · 08/01/2020 14:24

OP I can' tell you from my experience that being raised like your daughter is extremely difficult to cope with. And it doesn't matter how far apart the episodes of temper/violence... You are always waiting for it to kick off. And that is the emotional burden she will be living with.

I am 39 and only recently stopped having intrusive thought and flashbacks about my father stoming into the house in a rage.

I am 39 and still don't forgive my mother for not leaving.

I am 39 and still cowed and wary of my dad and spend as little time with him as possible.

It took me decades and a stroke of luck to learn how a decent relationship should work, given the poor model I was raised with. I am the only one of us children to be married and we are nearly all in our 40s now..

Please do not underestimate the damage you are doing to your daughter by staying.

PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:26

The problem, it's not constant. but generally few weeks between each episode.

Aren’t you walking on eggshells in between?

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:31

yes, i'm constantly walking on eggshells and waiting for the next event.

To clarify, I have spoken to my daughter. She loves my husband but in her words 'wants the arguing to stop'.......

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PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:31

What have you said to her about him?

Goawayquickly · 08/01/2020 14:36

You need to get yourself and daughter away from this violent, abusive alcoholic before he does any more damage to any of you.

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:37

I've had a very honest conversation with her and asked her how she felt about him and about living with him. I explained that things weren't quite right at the moment and that i needed to ask him about us getting help together but that if he refused, then i may need to find us somewhere else to live.

She is mostly worried about me being on my own and about him taking our family dog!

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user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:38

but he isn't violent - apart from the occassion where he smashed up a piece of furniture, he hasn't physcially hurt myself or my daughter and i don't believe he would.

I think much of it is hot air but he just doesn't understand the hurt his words are causing?

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PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:40

I've had a very honest conversation with her and asked her how she felt about him and about living with him. I explained that things weren't quite right at the moment and that i needed to ask him about us getting help together but that if he refused, then i may need to find us somewhere else to live.

That’s a totally inappropriate thing to do to a thirteen year old. You should be protecting her from all this. I’ve been in your daughter’s position and it was absolutely awful.

NearlyGranny · 08/01/2020 14:41

Why can't you give him specific examples of his behaviour? Do you mean he 'forgets' or minimises what he's said or done? He knows as well as you do. Is that why you're making notes and taking photos, because he's gaslighting you into doubting your own perceptions and memory?

And the I'm leaving/I'm staying, good guy/bad guy rollercoaster ride is designed to destabilise you so you're permanently too dizzy to process the manipulation going on.

He can be an alcoholic and an abuser at the same time, just as he can have brown hair and green eyes.

He's bad news.

Lundy Bancroft's book 'Why Does He Do That?' is a good read that will explain a lot.

PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:42

but he isn't violent - apart from the occassion where he smashed up a piece of furniture

Hmm People who aren’t violent tend not to smash up furniture. You don’t know what will happen next. You can bet that if you’re walking on eggshells, your daughter is too.

HappyHammy · 08/01/2020 14:43

He smashed the house up, that is violent behaviour. Was it the military police who got called, did they not pursue it as it's their property.

Coughy4u · 08/01/2020 14:45

It doesnt matter though. You should end it. Your dd is your priority.

user1464730439 · 08/01/2020 14:45

@PurpleDaisies - i'm trying to do what i think is best - please dont tell me i'm being inappropriate!

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PurpleDaisies · 08/01/2020 14:47

I’m sure you had good intentions but the way you’re handling it with your daughter is just plain wrong. You can’t invite her into your marriage troubles. You need to keep it away from her. She’s going to be hopelessly conflicted because he’s her dad and you’re her mum. You can’t put you two splitting up or not as anything she’s got any say in.

Goawayquickly · 08/01/2020 14:47

Of course he’s violent, he smashed up furniture.

Coughy4u · 08/01/2020 14:48

Is she not his bio daughter? Why is she even talking about you being on your own? Was being a single mum and struggling lonely talked about infront of her?