To not understand why the UK government have not really condemned the Cyprus Court system ?

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It goes without saying that what the victim has been through is horrific. Bear in mind the government were happy to make quite clear their feelings about the U.S system r.e Anne soccales. I really don't understand why the same support hasn't been given by prime minister/ home secretary. It is a disgrace, that there seems to be no government line this is appalling, ( although obviously I'm glad the victims allowed to come home).

I understand they may be limited in what they could do, but public statements condemning Cyprus and showing support for the victim would likely be welcome 😀

I don't expect our govt to be in the business of condemning any other country for the next ten-twenty years while there's a need to sort out trade agreements, tbh. Look at what Johnson has said about the Iran assassination, for instance.

Yeah but the point is, if they have criticised the U S r e. Soccales, ( and they have openly criticised the decision not to waive immunity), then why aren't they criticising Cyprus, ( who basically held a British gang rape victim hostage )

You have no idea whether a rape took place or not.

Because we voted in a mysoginistic PM that beats up women so what do you expect?

Because our Tory government couldn't give a flying fuck about women.

You have no idea whether a rape took place or not.

Have you read the facts of the case? It's plain as day a rape took place.

Do you also believe that guy who "accidentally" killed his girlfriend in a "sex game" - you know the woman who was found covered in hundreds of bruises at the bottom of a staircase with bleach in her digestive system?

@venividiweewee erm I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest a rapentook place

Why would a Tory govt care about the rape of one woman?

Look what the PM said about the female journalist Nazasomething ? Again, an innocent woman.

While the Cypriot court system doesn’t sound great, I don’t think our government is in any position to condemn any other country’s court system. Have you seen the prosecution rate for rape and sexual abuse in this country?! It’s appalling.

I’m glad this girl is home now I hope she can start recovering and rebuilding her life now with those who love her by her side.

@venividiweewee erm I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest a rapentook place

Please tell me where this evidence is. And by evidence, I don't mean newspaper or internet comments or articles.

@VeniVidiWeeWee how about the doctors report that confirmed dozens of bruises and injuries consistent with rape? Or the fact she was grilled for NINE hours without legal representation and coerced into a confession? Or the person who heard the men saying they were going to go upstairs and sleep with her? Or the fact that the police completely failed to follow procedure for someone who reported rape? Or the video that was sent round of them raping her?

Tell me, why would you think a woman having consensual sex then seeing his 11 friends pile in to have sex with her and film it ISN'T rape?

@GlummyMcGlummerson

how about the doctors report that confirmed dozens of bruises and injuries consistent with rape?

Consistent with, not evidence of.

Or the fact she was grilled for NINE hours without legal representation and coerced into a confession?

Not evidence of a rape.

Or the person who heard the men saying they were going to go upstairs and sleep with her?

Sleep with her, not rape her.

Or the fact that the police completely failed to follow procedure for someone who reported rape?

Very bad procedure but not evidence of rape.

Or the video that was sent round of them raping her?

I haven't seen the video but since you have how do you know from it what the complainant agreed to?

Travel advice 're Cyprus is under review. From what I read today, Raab has made it clear he is concerned.

I don't think our treatment of rape victims is a model to aspire to.

As to why this isn't treated as seriously as the Soccales case (not sure I agree btw). One notable difference between the two cases -
Case 1: Alleged perpetrator was female, alleged victim was male.
Case 2: Alleged perpetrators were male, alleged victim was female.

Maybe good old fashioned misogyny was the reason.

This was my thought:
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The teenager's mother has said that she is grateful for Dominic Raab's intervention and support - her QC said this morning (BBC Breakfast) that he was aware that Raab had telephoned the President of Cyprus.

The priority at this stage would have been to secure a suspended sentence so that the teenager could return to the UK - they are going to appeal the conviction asap.

I'm very concerned about the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case still not being sorted too

Raab had telephoned the President of Cyprus
Prior to the hearing.

The Foreign Office have probably been conducting delicate negotiations behind the scenes and didn't want to jeopardise them.

Not evidence of a rape.
@VeniVidiWeeWee even if the case for rape is too weak for a conviction, the case for having made it up is really flimsy.

how about the doctors report that confirmed dozens of bruises and injuries consistent with rape?

Consistent with, not evidence of.

I don't know what you think evidence is, but a doctors report that confirms injuries are consistent is evidence. It isn't conclusive - almost no evidence is - but it is evidence.

False equivalence.

Ann Secolas has been charged with breaking the law in the UK and is now subject to an extradition request.

The events in Cyprus were a matter of Cypriot law which according to Council of Europe rules we must respect and allow to take its full course exhausting all possible appeals before we take any case to the ECHR.

I think it would be a case of pot kettle going by this woman's experience;
www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/01/07/raped-three-times-reporting-uk-harrowing-12014337/amp/

What’s to condemn? They have a different legal system. For example police can legally question a suspect without legal representation or recording the interview. They followed their laws and their procedures.

From the BBC
“When Cyprus gained its independence from the UK in 1960 it inherited the English Common Law system, so there are great similarities between its system and our own before then.
While both systems have moved on, there has been major reform of the UK criminal justice process which does not apply in Cyprus.
In the 1970s a series of miscarriages of justice cases, including the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six, highlighted shortcomings in the treatment of those detained by the police.
Since 1984 new legislation in the UK introduced codes of practice governing the rights of suspects in detention.
In enshrined, for instance, tape recorded interviews, the right to a solicitor, and the supervision and oversight of suspects by custody sergeants independent of the investigation.
This does not apply in Cyprus, where interviews are still hand-written.
In that sense the Cypriot criminal justice system provides less protection to suspects than the UK system does.
However, it is a fair trial system and criticisms that can be levelled at it, could be equally levelled at other countries who are signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights.
Once the appeal system in Cyprus has been exhausted, there could be an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the grounds that the system in Cyprus has breached the right to a fair trial.”

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Consistent with, not evidence of.
I don't know what you think evidence is, but a doctors report that confirms injuries are consistent is evidence. It isn't conclusive - almost no evidence is - but it is evidence.

Being submitted as evidence doesn't mean it is evidence of. The pp is just making that distinction. To be consistent with something does not mean unequivocal evidence of something.

Once the appeal system in Cyprus has been exhausted, there could be an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the grounds that the system in Cyprus has breached the right to a fair trial

Is this the same ECHR the UK now says it wants no part of ? Or a different one ? (Maybe the European Cooking Health Regulator ?)