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Slimming world. Is it a con/cult?

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Emcont · 04/01/2020 06:54

Basically that really. I've read positive stories but also some completely bat shit crazy ones!

I have a considerable amount of weight to lose. I have recently joined the gym. But I'm reading conflicting advice about the gym and slimming world.

Is it worth it?

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MoltoAgitato · 04/01/2020 09:00

RH fitness and the rest of them are no different. Except it’s easier to take the piss out of Marjorie and her friends in a church hall talking about syns than a posh white man talking the same crap on YouTube.

Thunderclearstheair · 04/01/2020 09:00

You will always regain if you base your dieting around ‘being about to eat what you want’

People eat to much that’s why they are over weight.

SW and WW are just a cheat to get round that and the minute you come off plan the weight comes back because your body still wants that amount of food.

I just can’t get my head around meals that are based around a can of Diet Coke. The Ingredients in that are disgusting.

Calorie counting, watching your meal sizes and moving your arse is the ONLY thing that works long term.

DobbyLovesSocks · 04/01/2020 09:01

SW/WW etc DO work but only in the short term - and only if you keep going to meetings for the accountability side of things. If they worked they wouldn't have to keep re-branding and tweaking their plans. And they would have meetings full of people at Target and no-one paying - harldy a good business model.

Weight loss/weight gain is simply calories in versus calories out. If you want to lose weight eat less then you burn, if you want to maintain eat as much as you burn, if you want to gain eat more than you burn. As you lose weight it does become harder so you need to increase your exercise and add in some cardio etc. The thing with WW and SW is that you lose loads to start with then it tapers off and you get disheartened and put some back on. It really is best to lose weight slowly and consistently. 5-6lbs every week is not sustainable but 1-2lbs is. I've been a member of Team RH for a few months now and he is a big advocator of losing weight sensibly. He also sets your calories higher than MFP does but you still lose weight. MFP serts my calories at 1600 but I am on 1900 with Team RH. I lost 1/2 stone in a few weeks with TEAM RH.

Also simple things, switching a flight of stairs for the lift (if I'm going up 5 floors, i get the lift up 4 and then walk the last level by stairs). In the building I work in I now go upstairs to the loo instead of the one on the same level as me.

Leflic · 04/01/2020 09:01

If you are overweight though your eating is disordered anyway,

No one needs cake or a doughnut. It’s a choice because they taste yummy. But unless you actively limit them you will put on weight. When does limiting food become disordered?

Obligatorync · 04/01/2020 09:04

Well it is and it isn't.
If you stick to slimming world, you will lose weight. If you have a lot to lose, you will lose weight fast without feeling starving and in a basically healthy way. I got gallstones from losing 4lb a week for months, consultant told me it's not uncommon, but not SW's fault.
But it won't address underlying issues with food and it won't teach moderation and balance. So you'll be stuck eating that way forever and struggling to eat normally/fit in with friends and family...or more likely get into a cycle of losing and gaining.
It's expensive and the business structure feels slightly like an mlm.
So if you want to lose a few pounds or stone quickly, it'll work. Long term... less likely.

ODFOkaren · 04/01/2020 09:05

Technically I’m a SW success story.

I lost 6 stone in 8 months.

But I was just going there to be weighed. I was doing low carb abs just nodding and smiling at the bull shit. There was always a big table of SW food laden with fake sugars and chemicals and it seemed to be ridiculous to me.

Avacadoandtoast · 04/01/2020 09:10

Slimming World and the gym in combo work fantastically well. As a couple of folk have said above - stick to the plan and don’t look for cheats and it is very healthy. There are lots of people who have stayed at target weight. I did slimming world about 5 yrs ago - I got to target but then stopped going to group. I am just 4 pounds above my target weight (after Christmas!), but will use all the principles I learned previously to get myself back there without rejoining the group.
Give it a go - If you don’t like it after a month try something else!

ODFOkaren · 04/01/2020 09:10

I didn’t like all the syns and listing to people save up so they could eat chocolate. It didn’t seem a healthy way to change eating habits.

MrsSchadenfreude · 04/01/2020 09:11

It works as long as you make it your way of eating for life and don’t go back to how you used to eat once you have lost the weight. Some group leaders are better and more truthful than others re portion control and number of syns you are allowed - eg if you eat an entire bag of pasta in one go you are unlikely to lose weight, but if you have a normal/largeish portion, you will.

StylishMummy · 04/01/2020 09:11

Another advocate for Team RH - they're actively trying to teach people the basic principles of nutrition. Micro nutrients/macro nutrients, protein and calorie deficit

missanony · 04/01/2020 09:16

I think it works at the time but it still doesn’t alter the sugar addiction that probably caused the issue in the first place. Because of that, most end up gradually returning to their old ways

BaconAndAvocado · 04/01/2020 09:20

IMHO diets don't work. If they did there wouldn't be a huge diet industry.

The one time I went to a WW meeting there were people waiting to be weighed eating crisps and chocolate bars and exercise was never mentioned.

For me, it's a con.

There's no easy way to lose weight. And if you love eating crap all the time and don't change your habits, it's highly unlikely you're going to lose weight.

The only times I've lost weight is when I've eaten less and exercised more. It's a hard call but it's simple.

Don't waste your money!

WorldsOnFire · 04/01/2020 09:22

My objective opinion;

Is it a con?
No, but it’s also not some mysterious secret answer to weight loss. You’ll be presented with a ‘here’s a list of healthy foods you can eat as much as you like of’ and told not to eat crap! For most it’s just common sense and easily found on google.

If your issue with dieting is that you lack support and don’t want to feel hungry then SW will work for you. If your issue is that you crave crappy foods and lack self control, it probably won’t.

Is it a cult?
No more so than other organised groups. I found my spinning classes as ‘cultish’ as SW. There are vulnerable members who get sucked in and long-standing members who’ve forgotten what life was like without SW but there are also lots of normal people.

Getting weighed in is good for motivation but causes anxiety and the ‘talky’ bit is pointless (but they’re VERY insistent you stay for it)

It’s all just handing out awards to people who’ve been there donkeys and discussing how to make sugar free chocolate cake entirely out of salad, whilst someone’s 3 kids play on iPads next to you and look as genuinely bored as you feel!

OxanaVorontsova · 04/01/2020 09:23

I have a good friend who has been doing sw for years. She loses and gains about 2 stone in a repetitive cycle. It doesn’t work for her but she swears by it.

C8H10N4O2 · 04/01/2020 09:27

Anything making as much money as Slimming World relies on people going back over and over. Any diet company which makes money by selling "special food" is likely to have a very high failure rate over teh 5 yr cycle.

Save your money, try to find a few friends to form your own mini support group if you benefit from this kind of group engagement. With a small group of friends you are also more likely to find activities and changes which work for you rather than adopt someone else's ideas.

Morgan12 · 04/01/2020 09:30

All diets are a con.
Every single person who flogs any sort of healthy eating plan is a con.
Even this messiah guy you all seem to be obsessed with!

Simply put, most ways of healthy eating aren't sustainable because of the western diet. We eat out, get food delivered, nip to McDonalds with the kids, get a sandwich and cake at soft play, have events throughout the year where we are encouraged to indulge. It takes a very strong willed person to start a diet of any sort and actually stick to it for life.

SW does work. But the minute you have a social engagement all bets are off.

Also I find it mental that when I'm sitting hungry at night I can't gave a bowl of weetabix because I've used my B choice, but can go have a bowl of pasta for free.

CakeAndGin · 04/01/2020 09:36

I lost 6.5 stone on SW in 11 months. Nearly 18 months after I’ve left SW, most of that is back on.

So SW is a low fat diet. Which means you are buying low fat products, usually containing more additives, sweeteners and other chemical shit to make it taste nice. This is why avocados are synned but muller lights were free (have a small syn value).

It does have some redeeming qualities, if you look hard enough. For example, encouraging a third of your plate to be speed food - this is fruit and vegetables that are low in calories and high in satiety. The rule of thumb is that every plate should have a third speed food on it. What people didn’t get was the third speed, you were meant to take something away - like pasta - and replace it with speed food, so cut down the pasta and put a side of salad on your spaghetti bolognese. Or that sometimes you didn’t actually need speed food and piling it on is just unnecessary calories - if you want a cheese omelette, have a cheese omelette you don’t need to add a salad or a tin of tomatoes or other speed foods (unless you are hungry and want them).

SW encourages the overeating of ‘free’ foods like pasta and rice. Look at SW on Instagram and you’ll see the size of portions that most members are having. It also encourages tweaks with free food. When I was there, there was a weight watcher wrap that was a healthy extra B (so you get one free of this every day) and people would make a ‘pizza’ out of it. It’s not pizza, not even close. But you trick yourself and members (and Facebook groups and threads and Instagram) will encourage you and you’ll get swept up in the madness.

What SW doesn’t teach you is the value of calories. So a little bag of chocolate buttons will be about 100 calories, nothing to tip you over the scales in a day really, but be about 5 syns (you had 15 per day). If you want some chocolate, have a little bag of buttons. SW will tell you not to use those syns unless you really, really, really want them and to eat free or speed foods instead. So you’ll eat a banana (100 calories), have an apple (50 calories), have muller light yogurt (100 calories and 0.5 syn), 2 boiled eggs (120 calories). You still won’t feel satisfied so you’ll have the little bag of buttons anyway (100 calories and 5 syns). However, then you feel like you have failed because you couldn’t say no to the chocolate, so you’re sad and have another pack, then you think fuck it and have a G&T and stop counting syns. You think you’ve messed the week up now so order a pizza, and have a share size bag of chocolate... Had you realised the value of calories and how many burnt calories it takes to lose a pound (3,500 calories over the week) you’d have just had the chocolate and been content, with SW you ate an extra 300+ calories you didn’t need, felt bad and then ended up going way over the calories you needed.

In my group they clung to the myth that muscle was heavier than fat, so working out you’d get heavier. 1lb of muscle weighs the same as 1lb of fat, you will not get heavier by working out. However, 1lb of muscle is denser than 1lb of fat, so it is smaller than fat. However, that myth meant that people were discouraged from exercising by the consultant. The most exercise someone would do is walk for about 40 minutes, once.

As I said, I did well on SW whilst I did it. The group weigh works well to hold you accountable but the food system is not healthy long term. I spent a number of months using the scales and accountability but counting calories with my fitness pal. The problem came when I stayed to group and everyone wanted to know what I’d eaten (because people cling to your success and will try to mimic your weeks exactly). However, I’d eat honey, avocado, full fat yogurt - things that were synned and people didn’t want to syn (I didn’t syn those things) and in those weeks I was eating about 300 syns but maintaining my calories. I was miserable on SW. It really messed with my head and it’s why I’ve put so much of it back on so quickly because the restriction was so obsessive. When I would eat out, I would ask for a steak and jacket potato, no butter, as it’s free on SW. That gets old quick though. I didn’t like having dessert or wine if we’d gone out because even if I’d saved all my syns, I couldn’t work out how many syns something was. I would go to chain restaurants and have the dessert that I could find in the syn database, not the dessert I wanted. For my birthday, I went to pizza express because I could work out the syns for that. I saved my syns all week, had the tomatoes for a starter because garlic bread would have been too much, a pizza and a dessert. That was it for the week. I couldn’t even let myself go for a week, probably because I knew if I did give up control as it’s so restrictive it’s hard to get it back.

If I were you, I’d continue with the gym. Get that established as a habitat. As you get stronger, fitter, you’ll want to get fitter still and so then start looking at diet. Look at my fitness pal. It’s a pain to start with, as all diets are while you get your head around it. Set your deficit quite high so you take it really slow. If you take it slow you’re less likely to restrict yourself too much and the weight will more likely stay off. SW works for a quick weight loss if you’re disciplined but it’s going to mess you up long term.

RunForBurritos · 04/01/2020 09:37

It's not for me. My understanding is, it works well if you have quite a bit to lose. I wanted to lose a stone and a half, plateaued after losing 6 pounds. Was told by the consultant that I should just stop eating fruit ( allegedly free food!). Ridiculous. Never again. I am keeping the extra weight and enjoying bread and avocados...and fruit!

MrsScrubbithatescleaning · 04/01/2020 09:39

It’s a con.

The only people I know who’ve gone to slimming world go because they enjoy the company but they’re yoyo dieters who lose a few stones and then put it all back on again afterwards because they haven’t learnt anything about healthy eating or portion control.

Instead they’re encouraged to eat processed ready meals and how to cook fakeaways during the dieting phase and then go straight back to eating unhealthy sugar laden convenience foods / takeaways when they’ve lost the weight.

It’s a similar mentality to the Cambridge diet and those ultra low calorie diets where you lose loads in the short term and put it on again when you go back to your old eating habits.

Unless you change both your Mindset and eating habits, you’ll remain a yo-yo dieter. Sad

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 04/01/2020 09:42

Cba to read the other replies as I'm sure you've been told everyone puts the weight back on and it's really a load of crap blah blah

Of course you're going to put the weight back on if you stop sticking to the plan. The same as you would with any "diet". I see it more as a healthy eating plan and don't follow it religiously but it's certainly changed the way I look at food and I've lost 3 stone since March

RunForBurritos · 04/01/2020 09:42

Also want to add that I call BS on the " diets work better than exercise " mantra.
Truth is, if you have been running 5k or 10k ir whatever you will be more reluctant to undo the work by binge eating. Also, you might feel better in yourself for it and not fancy the junk.

gassylady · 04/01/2020 09:43

It can be helpful if as some have said upthread you absorb the message about lean protein and lots of veg “speed foods” balanced with limited carbs and a few syn treats. If what you here is you can eat as much free food as you like “a whole chicken and a kilo of potatoes” then unlikely to get the results you desire.

I lost successfully and kept it off for two years but as the very good group leader moved on found the group didn’t feel the same.

Blood sugar diet/ fast 800 approach based on good science and worth a look

Longwhiskers14 · 04/01/2020 09:46

There is a massive danger of cyclical loss/gain.

This, and back stories like CakeAndGin's, are why diets like SW don't work in the long term. They DO work short-term though – but that's because they're specifically designed to give followers enough success to hook them as repeat customers. So you lose weight at the first attempt, hurrah, but then (aside from about 1% of very lucky/determined people) you start to regain, so you have to pay up to rejoin. It's why the dieting industry is worth billions –and is pretty much the only business model worldwide that needs people to fail so it can succeed!

There are also biological reasons why diets don't work - watch this TED talk by neuroscientist Sandra Aamodt. I watched this a couple of years ago and it was a lightbulb moment for me and I haven't dieted since. You can't fight nature, but you can adopt healthier habits to work with it (and like her I've lost weight naturally).

Ihatesundays · 04/01/2020 09:46

I know a few people who have lost weight, one eats well and follows the free veg thing properly, works for her. Another who has become a leader but she was eating a lot of junk before so changing her diet made a big difference.
I do know a few people who went to meeting and did the whole lose 3 pounds, put on 2 for years. I don’t think they ever got it and just seemed to be making bizarre food choices.

I am doing WW. I just use it as a way to be accountable for a while as a kick start. Just moving more/eating less has limited success for me.

candycane22 · 04/01/2020 09:47

SW (or WW) just give you the structure and tools to eat healthily. You can do this yourself but I need boundaries (I do WW) so this kind of thing works for me.
As for the gym, the mixed reviews are really just because some enjoy a gym, some don't. I prefer a gym, others prefer going out running, cycling, walking or doing a sport. This is personal to you.