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To have sent DS to grandparents tonight? I need help.

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Feellikeafailureatparenting · 03/01/2020 23:50

I've changed my username for this, as it could be identifying, but I have been around for a long time and have posted about similar issues before.

This will be long, hopefully not too long, but please help.

I have a DS who is 9, 10 this year. He has had a mixed settled and unsettled start to life - a very constant settled experience with me, an unsettled one with his dad who wasn't around when he was younger but is more so now (has a very involved and devoted grandmother and DS stayed there to see 'dad' but dad fucked off and he spent his time with grandmother). He was the youngest child on both sides, and only grandchild, so became used to being number 1, so to speak. My parents helped (still help) a lot with DS (I was a young parent) and we stayed with them. This allowed me to study at university and work multiple jobs to provide for him.
Met now DH and we moved in together, with DS, and have gone on to marry and have a child who is now a toddler.

Since he was very young DS9 has always had 'issues', for lack of a better word. I'm exhausted at this point.

  • Severe temper tantrums to the point that he was sick and carried on.
  • sensory food issues.
  • sensory clothing/footwear issues
  • personal boundary issues
  • very blunt and black and white
  • horrific sleeping pattern/getting to sleep is a nightmare.
  • fabrications constantly.
  • fixates on bizzare subjects (rollercoasters was one thing, currencies another)

I know this all rings bells for certain disorders and I approached the GP. They told me that there was nothing to investigate due to him coping in school. He likes(ed) school, is performing well.

As he has grown is has become worse. The tempers are worse. The clothing issues are worse. The sleeping issues and fabrications. All have become almost unbearable.
He has school refused a few times now and, with my support, attends a nurture class as he is now struggling socially. He has hurt another child in temper. During one episode of school refusal he threatened to hurt himself, to push adults down the stairs, made himself sick and much more.
Again we went to the GP and they wrote to camhs and they replied saying his behaviour was "within the realms of normal". It isn't. It really isn't.

Sleep is one area where we have big issues. We attended a sleep clinic and they diagnosed it as control issues as it only happens with me. No one else took it seriously.
For years DS would only sleep if you sat beside the bed until he slept and every time he woke I had to return to that spot. Then it progressed to sitting in the hall. Then to sitting in our bedroom (which is where we are at now).
If he doesn't get his own way he ends up in an uncontrollable rage. Throwing things across the room, violently panting and breathing, screaming at the top of his lungs, lashing out, saying hurtful things, making threats to hurt himself and others, crying hysterically, being sick. He cannot calm down, every time he does it kicks off again.
Although he is only 9 DS is over 4ft8 and built like a rugby player. You cannot lift him and put him in his room.

Last night was one of those nights. It went on for almost 4 hours. 4 hours of relentless screaming, crying, threats. 4 hours of being told he hated us and wished we were dead. He woke up and terrified his brother.
We also live in a semi. He woke the neighbours and their toddler. I spoke to them today and apologised profusely. They've heard him before and, like the saints they are, haven't said a negative word but have been really understanding. Last night he also started to square up to DH and actually tried to punch him twice.

We are all mentally and physically exhausted today.
Tonight he started again. I can't take anymore. DH can't take anymore. It isn't fair on toddler DS to be terrified again. It isn't fair on my neighbours.
I asked my dad to come and take him to sleep at theirs. DS went quietly but didn't speak to me on the way out. He didn't think I would do it and it seemed to shock him in to regulating his emotions.

I now feel awful. He is safe. He is with people he loves and who love him. I think I did the best for everyone else but have I let him down?
Wibu for asking for this respite for him and for us? Should I have stuck it out?

Also where else do I go from here? His behaviour isn't "within the realms of normal" but no one will listen.

OP posts:
Haggisfish · 03/01/2020 23:53

Ask school to refer you to Ed psych or pathway for diagnosing autistic spectrum?

Lollypop701 · 03/01/2020 23:56

I can’t read n run... you have my heart felt sympathy op. No experience, but does appear to be on spectrum??? You need an adult referral . Hopefully someone will be along soon x

Feellikeafailureatparenting · 03/01/2020 23:56

Schoo are stuck because he isn't presenting there, or not enough to warrant ed psych time.

I teach in his local authority. I spoke to the ed psych when she was at our school. She agreed there needs to be something done but at present there are 100s of children on waiting lists who are doing everything he is doing but in school.

If he reaches high school (2.5 years) without help it will be almost unobtainable.

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Pinkette06 · 03/01/2020 23:57

No advice I'm afraid but didn't want to read and run Flowers you sound like a lovely mum, you haven't let him down, he is with family who loves him.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 03/01/2020 23:57

I've got no advice but you haven't let him down OP.

FordPrefect42 · 03/01/2020 23:58

This definitely sounds like it could be ASD, I’m an autistic adult myself for what it is worth.

Scrunchcake · 03/01/2020 23:59

That sounds so tough. It sounds like you did your best in a very difficult situation.

If you want to try a different route to a professional assessment you can self refer (ie not though school or gp) to NHS speech and language therapy - they can look at social communication with a view to considering disorders you mentioned.

In the meantime it might help to join the therapeutic parenting FB group - some of the strategies might help ease things for all of you.

Good luck

Feellikeafailureatparenting · 03/01/2020 23:59

Lollypop I definitely thing he is. It mostly seems to be sensory and control, possibly anxiety too manifesting itself.

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Feellikeafailureatparenting · 04/01/2020 00:01

Thank you everyone.

It just feels like I've shipped him off because he's too 'difficult' and he is difficult but I love him and shouldn't do that.

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Mulledwineinajug · 04/01/2020 00:02

Can you afford to have him assessed privately? Then you could start the process of applying for ehcp? It sounds absolutely awful.

StoppinBy · 04/01/2020 00:02

Go back and insist you GP refer you to a paediatrition. Don't leave until you get a referral, you as the day to day parent know something isn't right so it's up to you to get him the help he needs by making them listen. Good luck.

katewhinesalot · 04/01/2020 00:04

Can you go for a private assessment? Is that possible?

SweetMarmalade · 04/01/2020 00:04

I have no advice regarding the behavioural issues only support and to say that no, you are not bu to send Ds to dgp tonight. You all need space & if Ds feels safe at dgp and loved then you have done absolutely the best thing for now.

I’m so sorry you are all going through this amount of stress and hope you get the much needed support very soon.

katewhinesalot · 04/01/2020 00:04

Record him to show professionals?

Lougle · 04/01/2020 00:05

Have you checked if you can self-refer to CAMHS? DD2 spent years with me being told that 'she's fine in school'. She wasn't, she had 3 schools and one period of HE due to not coping in school. When I found out you can self-refer, I wrote such a lot on my form that the man who saw us said 'We're meant to have two appointments where we go over history and discuss options, but tbh it's so clear hear that I think we should just skip to the screening tool.' We did that and although I thought DD2 had done quite well, when I asked if he thought it 'might be ASD' he laughed and said "Oh yes, she's scored really highly". We did wait another year for ADOS and 3DI, but then her ASD was confirmed in the first term of year 7. She was 3 when I first raised concerns and from about 4 months there were oddities that I'd noticed.

Feellikeafailureatparenting · 04/01/2020 00:05

stoppinby is a paediatrician different to camhs in terms of what they can do/what can be offered?
I assumed camhs was the first port of call due to the presumed anxiety/mental health concerns and threats of violence.

I am completely out of my depth.
I work with autistic children in a mainstream classroom. I can help them, keep them calm and settled in school.
I can't even keep my own child settled at home.

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Mammajay · 04/01/2020 00:05

What is he like at his grans house?

StoppinBy · 04/01/2020 00:06

Also as I write this I am on holiday for a few days by myself, everyone needs a break to be the best parent they can be. We have a 6 year old with ADHD and a 2 year old and while I can't wait to see them again after 3 days the quiet and peace has left me feeling like that, 2 weeks ago I literally wanted to walk out the dòor and never look back.

Merryoldgoat · 04/01/2020 00:07

Could you afford a private assessment?

My son’s behaviour was similar in some ways but because his focus and concentration was so woeful he got a good referral.

School are crucial. If they don’t have evidence then it’s a nightmare.

StoppinBy · 04/01/2020 00:08

Paed will do the initial assessment and can refer you on to any relevant professionals, if it makes a difference I am in AUS.

Haggisfish · 04/01/2020 00:08

Ime Camhs are crap and don’t actually help many children that finally reach the top of their waiting lists. We got referral to physio, speech therapist and Ed psych who were brilliant in giving us coping mechanisms and tips.

Feellikeafailureatparenting · 04/01/2020 00:09

Lougle where do you find out if you can self refer?

Even the bloody speech and language therapist who came to see DS2 picked up on DS1 and he is noted in the paperwork. However she wasn't there for DS1 and could do nothing. (DS2 failed his 18month check spectacularly as he was barely speaking or walking, he has been dismissed now as he has passed the review spectacularly. Bloody kids).

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theSnuffster · 04/01/2020 00:09

I don't think you should feel bad, although I totally understand why you do- It's only natural! I think you did the best thing you could do at the time.

My son is very similar. He is diagnosed with ADHD 'with many ASD traits' whatever that means 🙄 I know how tough it is to get the right people to listen to you and to get professionals involved. Everything is a fight. Keep pushing, go back to your GP, in some areas you can self refer to CAMHS, ask to speak to the school SENCO.

DFAMA · 04/01/2020 00:09

Yanbu at all, I think you all need a break. How frustrating for you that no one will help! I wonder if it might be worth calling social services? They may be able to help getting him referred for assessments

Thehop · 04/01/2020 00:11

You know yourself that classroom is very different to home.

Can you get a private diagnosis so that you can pursue and ehcp soon for him?

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