Climate change deniers

[malificent7]

Whilst it is true that the earth has undergone many climate changes including an ice age et, aibu to think that man made climate change is real and deniers just cannot be bothered to change/ loose money etc? I think the Australian fires are scary but polar icecaps melting equally so.

Sounds about right. So much money tied up in petrochems etc., that their cold dead fingers will still be clinging to their investments as the rest of the world fries.

I think it's the biggest farce of modern times and that people will believe anything if it's forced on them enough. But YANBU for having your own opinion.

I do believe it but also wonder how the amazon rainforest still exists given when I was a child, they said that it was disappearing at the rate of 10 football fields per day (or the equivalent) and it was all McDonalds fault for the beef grazing (or whatever) and that was 40 years ago.

I also think when they blame mass flooding in the UK on climate change, it ignores the fact that developers have been building on flood plains for decades despite knowing that flooding was inevitable after that!

This kind of thing means that people can ignore or avoid rather than necessarily have to address.

Naomi Klein writes about meeting with a lot of hard-core climate change deniers («This Changes Everything») in the US. Her conclusion was that, privately, they broadly accepted a lot more of the scientific consensus than they let on: what they are utterly opposed to is the idea that any form of collective, shared, global action that might be required to tackle it, and that continuing to deny the science is just a tool to drive their capitalist, nationalistic agenda.

I think that the use of the term 'denier' reminds me of the religious/cultists aspects of the climate change evangelists. There's the messiah/cult figurehead (currently Greta), hysterical denunciations of those who don't believe etc. I wonder how many going on the big climate marches etc ever do things like go on litter picks, engage with improving their local area etc.

My job is sustainability. I do this stuff day in and day out. It makes me sad that people will not make small changes now to potentially help the planet. It is only going to get worse and then people will have to make very big changes or we will be having another global extinction tragedy.

Big business have too much to lose from changing and with the likes of china and the usa being massive deniers it does make it hard as everyone argument is "I will change when china does" etc......

At least I can stand up and say to my family I tried my best and mean it honestly.

I dont understand why it matters if climate change is man made or a natural change because either way we need to mitigate the impact on humans. Mass migration from uninhabitable places will happen if its man made or not., droughts, flood, famines etc are going to happen if its a natural thing or something we did. And either way we need to not use up finite resouces, or fill the sea with plastic or make the air hard to breathe. The oil will run out so we need to plan for that, we'll run out of places to grown food.

Climates change. It’s nature. Humans are part of nature.

I don’t believe the apocalyptic doom-mongering coming from many climate scientists for many reasons. For example:

1. The only track record climate science has is of being wrong.
2. Climate change itself is now an industry which needs to feed itself.
3. If it sounds like propaganda, and smells like propaganda, it’s propaganda.
4. Climate extremists are very defensive and do not engage in reasoned debate.

I also think people are very susceptible to narratives such as this because they are conditioned by a constant stream of bad news. It’s almost the only news we get. There is zero balance in terms of the tone and positioning of news media.

People also enjoy being part of something they see as big. They get a buzz from seeing themselves fighting some perceived big threat, even if it is imaginary. So climate change as a perceived force in the world is intoxicating.

Should we live as sustainably as possible? Should we respect and protect the environment? Yes.

Because it’s the right and sensible thing to do. Not because apocalyptic soothsayers are telling us the end is nigh.