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How many of you are surprised that the tories are offering some nhs services to the private company’s.

It can be a good thing if if is more efficient and costs less; or would you rather waste money just to keep things in the inefficient public domain?

This has been around for ever. Do get up to date OP or get off the bandwagon

Not surprised, was more surprised my boyfriend voted them in if I'm honest, that stung lol

Not concerned in the slightest.

The bank I work for subcontracts it's website, mobile app etc development and support to a third party, who are obviously making a profit too. As do most banks.
Does that also Concern you OP?

Looks like we can chalk this up to another incident where it's clear that people 'being easily led' by the msm crosses the political spectrum.

Not concerned. You do know Labour started it, right?

If you think all private enterprise in respect of healthcare is bad you should get yourself to Specsavers.

Bloody obvious it would happen. Grrr.

Public=bad/inefficient
Private=good/More efficient
Is quite frankly about dogma... private banks and financial institutions took the world economy to the brink of collapse. Barings....TSB... Carillon anyone? There are good NHS trusts and shit ones, good third sector providers and shit ones. Competition and privatisation don't guarantee a good service, public ownership clearly doesn't either. Good leadership and oversight makes a difference and this current crop of parlmintarians (on both sides) are poor.. So I don't hold out much hope that the NHS will be well led

I was aware and am continually horrified by just how much has already been and what will be privatised. Private companies are interested in private profits and, as such, have ways of cutting corners to ensure that financial gain. Their priority is not the health of the nation and the sustainability of the NHS and that is very, very worrying.

I’m not surprised the tories are doing this.
I am surprised how many seem to think it would have been avoided under labour though 🙄

A friend of the family (senior NHS consultant) nailed it for me ‘A well intentioned but incompetent labour gov wasn’t going to ‘save’ the NHS. Just spend a lot of money making the ship sink a bit slower. The end result is the same though 👍🏻‘

The biggest issues with the NHS isn’t lack of funding or increase in demand, it’s the genuinely horrific mis management and organisation which makes it equivalent to a bucket with a giant hole in the bottom.

I was aware and am continually horrified by just how much has already been and what will be privatised

You have a loose definition of privatised, tendering for extra capacity that is considered a short term solution has been happening since the birth of the NHS.

Maybe you need to engage some critical thinking and step outside your echo chamber.

Another example of how only those who voted Tory are uneducated and just read echo chamber MSM headlines is wrong

I'm more concerned about the amount of drunks, idiots, and total time wasters that will be clogging up A&E tonight and tomorrow. Demanding their meds on free prescriptions and being a complete PITA.

The biggest issues with the NHS isn’t lack of funding or increase in demand, it’s the genuinely horrific mis management and organisation which makes it equivalent to a bucket with a giant hole in the bottom.

Exactly this.

DSis works for the NHS - admin not medical. She's a manager. She'd agree with you. The stories she can tell about how and where money is wasted would make your mind boggle.

The stories she can tell about how and where money is wasted would make your mind boggle

Not really, MrsJosh; I've seen it so very often with the local authority and the mindset's all too similar

Absolutely no real accountability, you see

@MrsJoshNavidi

😂 honestly!
This same family friend told us how they’d had an ‘admin manager’ on the phone to them (on the intensive care ward) telling them which patient needed dealing with next because they ‘needed to release the bed’!

• Did not seem to give a crap when family friend (an actual Dr) told them the 3 other patients would be dead in the time it took to deal with that one less urgent patient 😂! They were swiftly told to jog right on! Admin trying to tell a senior Consultant which critically ill patient was ‘the priority’- makes me cringe!

Poor OP 😂 You expected some proper Tory bashing replies, didn’t you ?😂

And this is where private companies do better. They are accountable to shareholders, who demand efficiency.

@Justanotherlurker Thank you for your considered response to my post. Inferring that I am isolated within my ‘echo chamber’ and need to ‘engage in some critical thinking’ is more than a little offensive but I am sure that you didn’t intend that.

I witness daily the complexities of privatisation In the NHS. The privatisation that has, and continues to occur is not, nor can it now be, a short term solution. There will not be some magical reversal of this in years to come.

I have a sound comprehension of what privatisation of the NHS means and, at least from my perspective, it isn’t a positive thing. Too many things have been outsourced and errors occur frequently as different arms of the organisation do not interact with the other which causes issues. Clearly this isn’t exclusive to privatised aspects of the NHS, and the NHS needs major restructuring.

In relation to your comment about my voting Tory, that is inaccurate but I think you already know that and were just being flippant.

Perfectly reasonable to disagree with my interpretation of the current status of the NHS, and I am glad that you feel privatisation to be a positive. When we no longer have free at the point of access medical care (which I believe is that way this will conclude) it will be quite another thing.

The problems with the NHS are, in no order:

1. Not enough clinicians
2. Too many management staff
3. Increase in demand (the PP is totally wrong about this)
4. Lack of social care funding meaning there are a decent percentage of patients who are medically fit to leave but have nowhere to go until a care package is in place.
5. Advances in medical sciences mean that we are doing more expensive operations and using more expensive drugs than even 10 years ago.
6. The increase in lifestyle based illnesses (smoking,alcohol,drugs, obesity)costs a ridiculous amount.

You can throw all the money at it that you want but at the moment too much is based on curing the problem and not enough on preventing it happening in the first place

While I don't see a massive problem with outsourcing in general, Ireland is a case in point, where they outsourced cervical screening to unapproved laboritories in the UK and US. Women were incorrectly given the all clear and 20 are now dead. The authorities withheld the information for years.

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/24/i-can-change-it-for-others-the-woman-who-exposed-irish-smear-tests-scandal

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_CervicalCheck_cancer_controversy

Outsourcing doesn't come without its difficulties. I wouldn't see outsourcing as privatisation however. That's a whole 'nother ball game.

And this is where private companies do better. They are accountable to shareholders, who demand efficiency.

Dubya
Virgin care do some children's services here (they don't 'own' it, they are paid to provide the service), and it's excellent. So much better than the NHS run services we have used, they are efficient, communication is better, appointments are faster and they have saved money

This has not been our experience at all. My ds who has complex needs has had.... physio, OT, Speech therapy, community paediatric service and continence service via Virgincare since 2016....he lost therapists, we have had to travel further distances, communication is appalling, we have struggled to get certain medications, and equipment, referrals have been lost, communication between nhs services and Virgincare services are non existent and he has been discharged from services other professionals have said he needs. We have waited a year for a communication from one professional - with me phoning and emailing regularly in that time. We are now having to try and find and pay a private therapist. The NHS services that used to provide these services were far far superior. In a professional capacity (I work with disabled children in early years) I have seen waiting lists grow, criteria for referral, equipment and services change and a high turnover of therapists.

They do have a lovely shiny new building called a hub though. Oh and apparently they are running a more financially efficient service (this may be easier when sotmany children are being discharged and there are fewer children being seen)

It has been a fucking shit show here, and I feel like am banging my head against a brick wall because no one seems to care.

The question shows the nativity of the Op which I suppose reflects the utter shit peddled by Labour (and rejected) at the general election based on the ridiculous assertion that involvement of the private sector in healthcare cannot be tolerated.

There have been several threads on this last year in the same vein. It is impossible to run the NHS without private sector involvement. There is simply not the skill or commercial nouse for some areas. The point is that it remains free at the point of delivery which given population increases will continue to remain a challenge unless productivity increase.

A friend who is a senior consultant has recently been working on a project with a private company contracted by the NHS to overhaul drug prescribing systems and practices. They took the old NHS paper based insecure and shockingly inefficient system and digitised it. Staff love it, fully secure and far more efficient saving patients time as well when leaving. As he pointed out under Labour they would have been forced to develop it in house which they spectacularly failed to do having tried. They DONT have the expertise. Same as many other public sector bodies that keep trying and failing to do in house development and fail as they don't have the skills (not allowed to lay the salaries due to politicians whinging )

Other aspects in supply and training for equipment, as well as contracting out other treatment services to address workload. Feedback from patients was brilliant as they got treated far quicker, and often at a place of their choosing nearer home.

Private involvement however will always be limited. Why would the private sector want to actually own hospitals that are NHS based? However what it should be is sensible involvement. As one poster has already pointed out about PFI builds. These were (and continue to be) a shocking waste of public money and were introduced by Labour as a wheeze to hide public expenditure from the public sector borrowing requirement. The utter stupidly and resultant cost is a p clear example of why you cannot trust Labour with public finance. What was incredible was that The coalition didn't put an immediate stop to it but at least that has now occurred.

What I wish is that the NHS would stop being a political football. I saw an article during the GE campaign which listed every election and labour slogan which always were 24/48/72 hours to save the NHS. What they miss is that at each subsequent election the NHS is still there to be saved