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To tell my sister she shouldn’t buy a game console while desperate to move out?

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Pretendbookworm · 23/12/2019 19:19

She finished university and moved back in with our parents. I am no contact with our mother and low contact with our father because they are hoarders with other mental health problems (anxiety, depression, odd behaviours) but both refuse to see a doctor. Not only that but our mother has repeatedly criticised my parenting skills been emotionally abusive and manipulative for years, and our father just lets it happen. My sister hated living there before going to university, and was always upset and low in mood because of the living environment and our parents issues.

The year before my sister finished university I asked her if she had a job to save up money or started applying for graduate jobs/programmes. When she lived at home she was constantly ringing me upset so I was concerned about her going back. Eventually she told me to stop asking because I was making her upset. I told her she could move in with me. Again I was told to stop mentioning it. She does have her own MH problems which she has been seeing a doctor and therapist for.

So she finished university - sent 0 job requests, saved 0 money, so went back to our parents. Eventually she’s got a Christmas job but it’s temp and minimum wage. Still regularly upset about having to live there. Then she tells me she’s spent £350 on a games console for herself with the money she’s managed to save (parents are charging her rent).

So I told her “that’s a lot of money that could have been used towards moving out instead”. She said she needs it to feel happy, to which I said “that isn’t going to cure your problems. Moving out will.” This is what she told me her therapist had said to her. I’d like to add that she already owns a major gaming console, she’s just bought a different one.

She’s now upset with me, told me she doesn’t have to justify her purchase. To which I said yes that’s true, and I will make sure just to always agree with you all the time in the future. I’m finding it hard to be patient now.

OP posts:
Pretendbookworm · 24/12/2019 10:44

@DeeCeeCherry I’m not her mum in name but I am almost a decade older and our own mother has been unable to parent for a very long time due to her MH issues. If my sister needs help or advice it is me that she turns to and it has been that way since we were much younger, so our dynamics aren’t typical sisters.

@MidnightCircus your post made a lot of sense to me - better the devil you know than the one you don’t may well apply to my sister here as she has repeatedly said she’s not ready to be an adult and is too scared to apply for a “proper” job. I’m certainly going to be stepping back soon - I’m heavily pregnant and will soon be in a position where I can’t help even if I want to. I’ve spent the last 2 years trying to encourage her to send applications off or to save before she finished uni because I knew this was going to happen.

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SunshineAngel · 24/12/2019 10:46

The thing is, saving up for a house might take her years. In the meantime, a games console could be a great form of escapism, to take her mind off her situation.

Yes, she wants to move out, but that doesn't mean she can't spend one single penny on anything in the meantime .. because that's just going to make a bad situation a whole lot worse, isn't it.

I think perhaps your sister needs help with her mental health, but unfortunately that's not the kind of thing you can push. It has to come from her, and she has to be ready to take the step.

Perhaps working over Christmas will give her a taste of earning her own money, and lots of people who have seasonal jobs actually end up working full time for that company, so that's worth thinking about.

I know it's hard for you to hear her upset, but I promise you, she's not doing it for fun. Things will be very difficult for her. You don't have to solve all of her problems, it's not your job, but having you there as a listening - non judgemental - ear, could make a whole world of difference.

Vulpine · 24/12/2019 11:48

Escaping into the world of gaming is not really going to help her long time future though.

KidCaneGoat · 24/12/2019 12:01

I have a sister who has MH problems too. And who comes to me regularly saying she’s fallen out with so and so and wanting support. For ages I just placated her but now I just say what I think. It’s caused big upset at the time but I feel better for having an honest relationship rather than biting my tongue. I’ve told her we can either have an honest relationship or a fake one where I just agree with her all the time and say ‘that’s a great idea’. Look up ‘the drama triangle’ I found it helpful. It might be that she’s fine with her situation but just wants someone to moan to when things are tricky. Or for you to say that she wasn’t in the wrong.

MrMeeseekscando · 24/12/2019 12:03

I'm actually in a similar situation to your sister.
I'm trapped living with family (bad break up, made homeless with lots of debt though)
I'm stuck here, I hate it here, they don't want me here and it's made very clear I'm tolerated not welcomed.
I spend some of my cash each month on a hobby I enjoy. It gets me out of this awful house and amongst friends. Escapism is important when your home life if miserable.
Yes I could have stayed in and saved that money. Put it towards my debt. Ultimately I cannot afford my own place, even if I was debt free because rents are horrific here.
So why shouldn't I?
My life is tolerable because of it.
I actually ditched one of my oldest friends for getting angry at me for daring to try and do something for my own mental wellbeing.
I assure you, if I didnt have that hobby to look forward to I'd be in a much, much darker place.

Tombliwho · 24/12/2019 12:05

I don't think YABU to feel how you do but you must step back now. She is an adult and she chose to go back there. Distance yourself from the tearful phone calls too. When she calls explain to her than you are accepting her choice to continue living there and won't advise her anymore.
You can't force people to do anything, even if you have their best interests at heart. Just let it go.

hazell42 · 24/12/2019 12:11

None of your business.
She's a grown up, with a degree.
Perfectly capable of reasoning for herself and coming to her own decisions.
BUT if she starts moaning to you about her crappy situation, shut her down. Tell her you have given her advice and she's ignored it, and you can/won't say any more.
At the moment you are just nagging, and it is not helping. So stop it

AntiHop · 24/12/2019 12:16

Could she look at renting a room as a lodger? Many landlords don't expect a deposit in that kind of set up.

ForkThis · 24/12/2019 12:19

The thing is, she can’t move out on £350, can she? Nowhere near it. If her job is temporary, she probably can’t see herself being able to move out at all anytime soon.

So the choices are:
A) continue living at home in a shit situation, save her £350, still not be able to afford to move out.
B) continue living in a shit situation, spend her £350 on something that may make it more bearable, still not be able to afford to move out.

I know what I’d choose.

AntiHop · 24/12/2019 12:21

Bore off please @Jeansforme
My boomer aunt worked in a shop for her whole career. She was able to buy a flat and retire in her 50s. There's zero chance that a millennial could do that. It bloody sucks. Denying how much different things are just makes you look ignorant.

IceCreamFace · 24/12/2019 13:38

Like a lot of millenials, she’s probably expecting a house to be handed to her without having to put any effort in whatsoever.

What a stupid comment. Millenials are the generation for whom buying a house has been most difficult and they know it.

IamFriedSpam · 24/12/2019 13:42

I'm not even convinced buying a games console is a bad idea if she really wants one. It looks like she'll be at home for the foreseeable future and if the games console will make her life there more bearable it's a good idea. It's better than constantly frittering money away on take aways. Even if it was a frivolous purchase judging and criticizing her won't help.

notnowmaybelater · 24/12/2019 13:50

That sounds incredibly frustrating Pretendbookworm - she expects you to be her emotional crutch and be endlessly sympathetic but won't help herself. She has a degree and hates living with her parents but refused to so much as apply for a single graduate job and moved back in with her parents after graduation when you were offering her a room in your home, near graduate employers...

The gaming console (especially given she already has one, and has bought another rather than buying one for her one chance of escapism) is not the problem, just a symptom.

You can't be endlessly sympathetic without ever pointing out the elephant in the room.

You should not apologise - whatever for? She's chosen to put herself in this situation, it's a form of masochism and two years of consoling her when she won't even try to help herself must be soul destroying.

motherheroic · 24/12/2019 14:20

If it's just a temp job she won't be able to move out anyway. They usually want to see payslips or will phone your employer before renting to you.

The console will provide her a bit of escapism. Might even open up a new community for her. Who knows.

notnowmaybelater · 24/12/2019 14:29

She already has a console though - this is a second one.

I'm confused why so many people think she needs two consoles in order to escape a situation she says and believes that she hates but has actively chosen to put herself in. The OP has been listening to her cry about being in this situation for two years, and watched her graduate from university but refuse to apply for graduate jobs, offered her a room but had her refuse it and inexplicably move back into a house she hates living in (not even for free as the parents charge rent).

Affirming and enabling the ongoing self destructive masochism would seem worse than calling her out gently, surely...

PristineCondition · 24/12/2019 19:34

Like a lot of millenials, she’s probably expecting a house to be handed to her

If the boomers raised us properly we wouldn't be like this...

notnowmaybelater · 24/12/2019 19:53

Did boomers raise millennials? Aren't boomers the grandparents of millennials? It's all absolute nonsense anyway... Economic trends and averages are real, but the individual insults based on year of birth are beneath contempt really... I'm sure most of us would accept a no strings house handed to us (not that anyone receives anything like that without strings attached) or even a mortgage on a generous sized 3-4 bed semi affordable on one fairly average salary and a retirement age of 60. Neither end of the spectrum are up for grabs sadly, and neither have anything to do with the self destructive path to self imposed misery the OP's sister is on.

Clearly the purchase of a second games console is only a symptom of a long established pattern of self sabotage. It's not the console but the decision to move back in to a house she hates when she had a batter offer, and the refusal to apply for graduate jobs, which are the issues.

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