Labour losses

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I'm a labour voter, always have been.
However, can't understand Leigh, Lancashire, at all.
AIBU to think there is far more than dislike of Corbyn that cause such towns to turn parties.
100 years of labour, at least and neighbouring Wigan had losses but are still Labour.
They were both majority leave.
It has to be immigration, nothing else would stop these old industrial towns from voting labour. I'd like to think not as these are the communities in which me and my extended family live and today people were in shock.
Can somebody who understands this stuff explain it, because we are all stuck for words round here.

Yes. there's much more to it. YANBU
No. it's just Corbyn/policies. YABU

My opinion is that Labour had multiple policies that turned people off because they involved seizing their money and assets. You only needed to be opposed to one of those policies in order to vote against them. High earners and their families, landlords, people who own second homes, business owners, employees who rely on those business owners, people with kids at private schools (and the teachers), people who will inherit more than £325k - all stood to lose under a Labour government. Not surprising they voted against money being taken out of their pockets. That’s before you even consider the Brexiteers who didn’t want a second referendum.

I was listening to all the commentary today and I've talked to many people including people who live in Corbyn's constituency over the past 2-4 years.

Corbyn has shown by leadership of the Labour party he isn't a leader. His policies were extremely to the left of politics in this country. Most people in this country are more to the centre and if given a choice between a party with an extremely left wing manifesto and the incumbent, then people vote for the incumbent.

After posting this I saw the BBC News and one older gentleman voter mentioned nationalisation, he'd have been a pit worker and sounded like he wasn't keen on it again.
I understand why the rich wouldn't want to lose money, but these are deprived towns. Our charity shops are closing and replaced by food banks, just in the past 6 months.
We have immigrants, working here, who are treated appallingly by gov policies.
Why would these people vote Conservative.

My dad is the same type of older gentleman voter, ex industrial worker. He voted Conservative because he was concerned about unchecked immigration. The Tories promised an Australian style points system whereas Labour wanted free movement and even threatened to extend it to non EU countries, as well as offering guaranteed cash to everyone to make it even more attractive to come here. He’s poor and lives in a deprived area, and he thinks we’re all struggling enough already without supporting even more newcomers.

I think you've got to remember the older people have seen socialism and communism in action in Russia and East Germany and so are probably very against it. I don't think anybody really wants hard left policies in this country apart from a very small minority so Corbyn has turned a huge amount of people off from voting for the Labour Party. A lot of people simply do not trust the direction in which he would have taken the country has he been voted into power.

From what the BBC were saying, I gather the sitting Labour MP was not popular either.

If only someone had advised you on here that Corbyn was electoral poison...

Give it a rest @CendrillonSings, you've been at it all day and it's goady.

Dislike or lack of trust of Corbyn, annoyance at Momentum and wanting to leave the EU are the three main reasons I hear.

BBC have an article about Leigh, in case that’s of interest

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781738

Thanks AutumnRose

We didn't see the coverage on tv as it was my dc wedding, and of course nobody was talking about it or following it.
I'm just catching up now.

I hope the wedding went well

No one can ever really know this stuff too deeply, can they....I see the demographics are starting to emerge and I think, based on what?!

The same sorts of data models that predicted a hung parliament? It’s all just speculation.

We have immigrants, working here, who are treated appallingly by gov policies.
Why would these people vote Conservative

Not many of the immigrants can vote. Only those in the commonwealth the rest can’t (neither European ones )

Easter yes, that statement confused me as well.

There has been a right wing coup, funded by billionaires (friend of BJ made £350m yesterday, thank the market surge on result), aided by Farage who conned the northern working class into believing Brexit represented their interests and superbly managed by Cummings, diverting them into believing Tories best represent their interests. Fait accompli, an elected right wing dictatorship, as a majority like this means there is no effective opposition. This country is now riven by nationalism. I don't think Labour can come back from this.

longwayoff your user name is apt.

That kind of crazy paranoia is partly what has got Labour into this mess. They just will not blame themselves for anything.

That is no compliment to the Labour Party party trewser, beyond incompetence, shameful performance by them. Thank you for your kind concern for my mental health, I think I'll get by though.

I think people were sick of the Brexit bickering and stalling in parliament over the last few years. Rightly or wrongly, it felt to me that labour had no clear answer for what they would do if they won the election. Lib Dems were a clear vote for stopping Brexit, Tories a vote for Brexit.

Corbyn, Momentum and People saw through his policies as just trying to bribe certain demographics and not workable.

But spend the next 5 years pretending it was just the media, call people racist/uneducated a bit more and it may work.

Immigration and nothing else? How about not wanting free broadband for all, nationalisation of everything, millions given to WASPI woman with no real explanation of where the money would come from, the increased tax, the threat to businesses through increased expenditure (causing further closures and employment), the increase in borrowing to fund all the promises, the bullying from Labour voters? What about those reasons?