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AIBU to absolutely love the British for giving 2 fingers to Brexit party

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myduckiscooked · 13/12/2019 10:15

I have no skin in the game in this election because I am not from the UK but I simply adore politics and so I’ve been watching with fascination.

This election was about getting Brexit done, from what I could see, without a shadow of a doubt that is what the majority of people want now, so much so that people were willing to give Boris Johnson a vote. People from towns where the Conservatives shut their mines, closed off their only employment opportunities and made generations suffer on the back of that wanted so much to leave the EU that they were willing to put all that behind them and vote Conservative.

But you know what they haven’t done, endorsed that asshat Farage in any meaningful way. God I love the British for that. It would have been so much easier to throw your vote at a party you had no bad history with. All across Europe the far right has risen many of your voters, instead of endorsing that rise, went against core socialist values and beliefs to vote for a party that did not endorse hatred, bigotry, racism in an open and obvious way. I think you are awesome.

I know this outcome is a tough blow for Labour supporters but Labour under Corbyn totally lost their way, In time Labour will come back having learned a lot from the mistakes of this era and there will be a functioning opposition again.

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TildaKauskumholm · 13/12/2019 10:19

What is an asshat?

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myduckiscooked · 13/12/2019 10:22

What is an asshat?

Sorry I never knew that was not common parlance, you learn something new every day. It means asshole.

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LookingforLemons · 13/12/2019 10:24

Farage. Farage is an asshat.

SpudleyLass · 13/12/2019 10:24

My understanding is that Brexit Party simply weren't contesting seats held by Tories, so people couldn't vote for them, even if they wanted to.

minesagin37 · 13/12/2019 10:27

They haven't. They just voted in the hard right Tory Brexiteers instead! Hardly getting rid !

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myduckiscooked · 13/12/2019 10:35

My understanding is that Brexit Party simply weren't contesting seats held by Tories

That is a very good point. I still thought there was a good chance in an election centred on Brexit that the Brexit party would get seats. They didn’t, nothing and without seats there is no where for it to grow from. Just a second failed UKIP party for Farage.

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Emmapeeler1 · 13/12/2019 10:35

No they haven’t at all. That’s completely misreading the result.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 13/12/2019 10:36

I actually thought the Brexit Party did pretty well, all things considered.

Monkeybunkey · 13/12/2019 10:38

The Brexit party didn't contest my area (safe Tory seat) so I couldn't have voted for them, even if I'd wanted to.

Andysbestadventure · 13/12/2019 10:39

The Brexit Party were implemented to make Conservatives look Centrist... 🙄

No one stuck fingers up to them.

Just that most who wouldn't have voted conservative now saw them as the most appealing party, smack bang between far left and far right (although the far right hidden under the costume of Brexit rather than BNP).

Nigel Farage is a stooge for hire. He is not thick. Neither is Boris. That's why they had their own inhouse deals.

needsomehelptoday · 13/12/2019 10:42

I don't think that's what happened. I'm pretty sure the brexit party pulled out from seats to ensure a Tory majority.

LaurieMarlow · 13/12/2019 10:47

OP your understanding of the situation is seriously lacking.

The brexit party didn’t contest Tory leaning seats.

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myduckiscooked · 13/12/2019 10:47

The Brexit Party were implemented to make Conservatives look Centrist

I don’t see how you could develop a party on that basis. The cost of running candidates is enormous and the effort involved in running a political party is gargantuan. I have been involved that elsewhere. The Brexit party did hope to win seats but of course not at the expense of Brexit being passed in the commons.

You are so right that there was a huge advantage to Boris out of finding himself on the moderate ground between far right and far left in this election.

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stayathomegardener · 13/12/2019 10:49

Don't waste your love on us. We are complete and utter fools unfortunately.

SpoonBlender · 13/12/2019 10:50

There was absolutely no point voting Brexit Party when the Conservatives had placed themselves as the Get Brexit Done party. Moderate? Christ...

Anotherthink · 13/12/2019 10:57

Sorry op but it's not a win in any way shape or form. Tbh I'd rathe people have done a protest vote for brexit party like they did for ukip years ago - it won't have got them anywhere near no 10 anyway. That 'protest' vote years ago has now evolved to unashamed support for the conservatives and that won't change soon.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 11:16

It was inevitable. UKIP was bound to wither and die after the referendum in 2016. Brits (mostly) aren't naturally extremists; UKIP only picked up so many votes in the first place because most of them were protest votes.

The Brexit Party was just Farage trying to extend his role. He didn't even want to stand as a Brexit Party candidate. Pathetic little man.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 13/12/2019 11:20

The Tories are basically the Brexit party now. The only people ones the “Great British Public” stuck their fingers up to was the poor and vulnerable.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 11:24

Where are you from OP? Do you feel comfortable saying?

Thanks for thinking of us, anyway.

PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 11:42

Brexit Party? Tories? Not much difference tbh. Though the Brexit Party ran an actual Holocaust denier in my area. A neo-Nazi who believes Jews control the world and yada yada. Lovely bloke. Luckily he got walloped by both the Labour and Tory candidates.

angemorange · 13/12/2019 11:47

The Brexit party helped Boris enormously - it wasn't a bad night for them at all.

Somanysocks · 13/12/2019 11:50

You have no idea what you are talking about Op.

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myduckiscooked · 13/12/2019 11:51

Yeah Laurie I read that this morning. It actually inspired my post.

The only people ones the “Great British Public” stuck their fingers up to was the poor and vulnerable.

I fear you are right about people sticking fingers up to the poor and vulnerable but that is not peculiarly British by any means. People rarely make their own personal circumstances much worse to benefit others, that is why we have so many issues around poverty, climate change etc

Brits (mostly) aren't naturally extremists

And that is the point really, where the far right is on the rise everywhere around Europe you did not leave the position of centrists. This was the type of election that could drive people to extremes, it is a completely divisive issue. There is very high feeling on it and instead of falling into the arms of the extreme positions people were willing to stick with the centrists. Although I do appreciate what you are saying about Brexit party not challenging Conservatives in constituencies where they had sitting MPs. But the Tories won seats in places Labour, the Tories and the Brexit party has candidates which were former Labour strongholds.

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AlexaShutUp · 13/12/2019 11:52

No need to vote for the Brexit party when the Tory party had moved so far to the right.

I am pleased that the Brexit party has not won any seats but Nigel Farage will be celebrating regardless. I'm afraid I despise the British electorate and am ashamed of the choices that they have made.

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