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To ask those who are considering voting conservative a question?

39 replies

berryfull · 11/12/2019 13:56

I'm not sure I can convince anyone who has decided to vote Conservative not to.

So I won't insult you by insinuating you don't care about vulnerable people in society, because I assume you do care and probably think that it's not an ideology but just that the conservatives do a better job at being sensible with the economy and therefore will actually be better at making sure there is enough money in the economy to protect those that need protecting.

IS it OK though if I ask you to explain to me why on page 4 of the Conservatives manifesto costings document

( assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5ddaa257967a3b50273283c4_Conservative%202019%20Costings.pdf)

they have the spending for supporting disabled children like mine (Autism and learning disability fund) being cut to ZERO by 2023, whilst spending more than the same amount on bringing in Voter ID in the same period?

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berryfull · 11/12/2019 14:33

Tiggertogger, did you mean to be so rude?

I asked a question as I was worried.

I tried to make it clear in my OP that I wasn’t aiming to insult or convince .

Not everyone has a head for figures, even if they are literate. Surely asking questions is allowed?

So if this this is a new additional fund? Why is it only for three years?

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Writersblock2 · 11/12/2019 14:36

Questioning is totally fine, OP. It’s those jumping to “OMG, the bastards!” conclusions who are being unreasonable.

But I have come to expect nothing less than this lately.

tabulahrasa · 11/12/2019 14:36

“For those at the back, it's ADDITIONAL funding.”

Yes... but what funds it after the three years?

I knew full well it was additional funding, but it’s then cut, so what then?

BovaryX · 11/12/2019 14:37

Thank you for the explanations, that makes more sense. I did see this on Facebook and it scared me, hence asking the question

It has been explained to you by numerous posters that the figures refers to additional spending So your OP was based on a flawed interpretation and is alarmist. By the way, the fact that there is no requirement to provide ID when voting? That needs to be addressed. Why is Labour so opposed to voter ID?

Shinyletsbebadguys · 11/12/2019 14:39

Commissioning cycles often run for three years within local authority and the same process for evaluation exists within central government.

Think about it logically , the givernment could not restrict the funding to £0. It is being used as discussed above and an evaluation system will identify the options next. Certain funding is always ring fenced but how it is used must be evaluated.

I'm sure some previous posters would be the first up in arms if they committed to 5 years or ten years on a system that was not effective. I doubt anyone will argue the current one is working well.

I used to be a staunch labour voter and I am now voting conservative (op exactly as you say , I am not a high earner anymore I am about as average as it gets ) so to the pp (not op ...that's the first time I've seen a sensible post not insulting my interest in other people ) who claims we dont care about others ....I have literally spent my entire adult working life in health and social care working to help other people.

It would be very hard for anyone who knew me to claim I don't care, the Tories are absolutely not blameless and I don't agree with all of their policies but they are realistic public spending wise.

Labour's hairbrained badly thought out plan for adult social care will be devastating with the match of an increase in NMW and increased carers. So I do care...I care that the government is one that can work a calculator.

mauvaisereputation · 11/12/2019 14:40

@berryfull

The manifesto says: "We will also provide £74 million over three years for additional capacity in community care settings for those with learning disabilities and autism." (vote.conservatives.com/our-plan - p12)

I guess it sounds like the £74m is to be spent on one-off costs (starting new programmes, buildings and other physical resources) and after the investment the programme is supposed to run on the regular about of funding.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:55

So, we've deduced that the Tories are actually planning to increase spending on mental health over the next 3 years?

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/12/2019 15:00

OP is getting a lot of responses from people who would never consider voting Tory (and some useful background on what the fund actually is, cheers PPs).

I would consider voting Tory. I’d consider voting for any of the parties dependent on manifesto and urgency of changing/maintaining the status quo. I could be described as a floating voter. I’m also an autistic adult, who has experience of being an autistic child.

As previous posters mentioned, it is covered elsewhere in the manifesto. Whether any party (or this one in particular) can be trusted to deliver a manifesto promise is debatable, and a risk you always take when voting. A party could equally promise to throw money at LDs and developmental disabilities and then go ‘sorry, things changed, other priorities’ once elected. We lack effective advocacy and ability to hold governments to account, which is unfortunate.

I am not single issue on provision for autism and learning disabilities. It’s something I support for hopefully fairly obvious reasons. I have written to the local conservative candidate about another pertinent issue which particularly affects me as an autistic person and received a friendly and reassuring response; the Labour candidate completely dismissed it and talked to me like a slightly stupid child. If he (Tory) is elected I will be in touch again to ensure annoying autistic constituent remains on his mind.

Personally, i do not like Labour’s move towards ‘neurodiversity’ which, for some of us, downplays the extent to which we are disabled by our differences. It was also under a Labour government that I was left to struggle in school without support, try to leap over huge barriers to claim benefits & support getting into work, etc. It probably isn’t fair to hold the present day Labour Party wholly responsible for this, but it does colour my view of them.

I don’t like the Tory party’s authoritarianism and their track record on other issues I care about (women, gay rights, free speech), however I support them on others. I also live in a marginal which has its own implications re tactical voting.

While I don’t think this is happening on this thread, I’d personally appreciate being allowed the agency to vote the way I choose and not have my disability weaponised by outraged Labour supporters. I’ve seen this happening elsewhere on this issue. I think we all should vote according to our consciences, as if it were a democracy where a plurality of views was permitted.

SilverySurfer · 11/12/2019 15:02

Nice try. 0/10 - so back to examining the manifesto with a magnifying glass to see what else you can find.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 15:07

Nice try. 0/10 - so back to examining the manifesto with a magnifying glass to see what else you can find.

Or just go on Facebook (or hang around here long enough) and you'll have plenty of (unchecked, unsubstantiated) anti-Tory propaganda which can be used to brand Conservative voters 'immoral, selfish and uncaring'

meredithgrey1 · 11/12/2019 15:16

It has been explained to you by numerous posters that the figures refers to additional spending So your OP was based on a flawed interpretation and is alarmist.

Those explanations (obviously) came after the OP. OP has since come back and said yep that makes sense. Yes it was a flawed interpretation but that's why she asked, she didn't scream "tories hate disabled people" she politely asked if anyone could explain it - now they have.

Notwiththeseknees · 11/12/2019 15:16

If you actually did read the Conservative manifesto, did you not notice it was additional funding OP?

To ask those who are considering voting conservative a question?
JessUKUS · 11/12/2019 15:18

Yeah, I'm a anti Tory and think Corbyn is very bad news for this country, anyone who can support ISIS is an absolute arse.

However, unlike other posters, I don't think people should try sway people into voting certain ways, that's down to each and every person.

This is from the national austic society themselves.

www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/media-centre/news/2019-11-29-general-election-manifestos.aspx

But from that document, I don't know how you can say Labour will do more for the autistic community.

berryfull · 11/12/2019 16:03

Thank you to those who have answered my question and not shouted at me. Appreciate it!

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