Aibu to think Boris Johnson/Dominic Cummings actually WANT to break up the UK?

[KenDodd]

I was thinking about this recently and can't think of many downsides for the Tories if this was to happen. By almost all accounts Scotland and Northern Ireland cost money, they're also areas that send no/very few Tory MPs to Westminster. Without Scotland and NI the Tories would have an almost unassailable grip on power. Also there actions show very little regard for these two countries, they don't seem to care what they think or how actions in Westminster will affect them.

Untrue: after the last election, the Conservatives were reliant on their 11 Scottish Conservative MPs and Northern Irish DUP to prop up their government. I will agree that they have shown very little appreciation of this since then.

The Guardian Nov 2019;

PM gives 'cast-iron' pledge to refuse second Scottish independence vote.

"Boris Johnson has made a “cast iron” pledge that he will not grant Nicola Sturgeon the powers she needs to hold a second independence referendum, regardless of whether the Scottish National party (SNP) wins a majority of Scottish seats in December’s general election or if they win a pro-independence majority in the Holyrood elections of 2021."

"In his strongest rebuff yet to Sturgeon’s vow to hold a second vote on independence next year, Johnson used his first visit to Scotland of the election campaign to insist: “Absolutely, there is no case whatsoever [for a second referendum] because people were promised in 2014 that it would be a once-in-a-generation event and I see no reason why we should go back on that pledge.”

"Describing Nicola Sturgeon and Jeremy Corbyn as “yoke-mates of destruction” in terms of the future stability of the union, he told reporters: “It’s perfectly obvious that Jeremy Corbyn is going to rely on the SNP to get him into power and to do that he’s done a shady deal to have a second referendum.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/07/pm-gives-cast-iron-pledge-to-refuse-second-scottish-independence-vote

It’s hard to know what Cummings wants. He’s an extremely anti-establishment figure who seems to have a penchant for smashing things up, with little concern for any actually constructive action. It feels like this is all a game for him, played from a position of extreme privilege, even as he claims to hate the elite.

Under no circumstances… will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea. Boris Johnson, June 2019.

That’s aged well, hasn’t it?

Is that like the cast iron 'no Irish border' pledge? The prospect of which 'no Prime Minister could contemplate'?

Cummings does not hate the elite, he hates us sheeplike proles, believes we're stupid and can be willingly shepherded by such as him. He's married to an aristocrat, they have a castle and is laughing himself towards incontinence at our lack of perception. He's right, it seems.

@Clavinova

Can't quite work out what you mean by those quotes. I find it very hard to believe anyone would take a 'cast iron pledge' from Boris Johnson seriously given his record for lying. Were you being ironic? Meaning whatever he promises the opposite must be true?

Can others think that the negatives that would outweigh the positives for the Tories of this?

Probably. Who'd want the band of whingeing Scots constantly barracking about how Westminster deprives the Scots- even though it doesn't.

Her Majesty would be bloody miffed if Bozza chucked Scotland. Some Tory ultras, the type who are flogging us Brexit, think Scotland costs too much and would happily set it afloat. God help us all if they start brexiting Scotland. Sadly, the Scots are probably so pissed off with English politics, they'd be glad to go.

KenDodd

Can't quite work out what you mean by those quotes.

Ask the Guardian journalist.

Can others think that the negatives that would outweigh the positives for the Tories of this?

The Conservatives are already looking at Aberdeen (or possibly Petershead) for one of their 10 new free ports.

Do you think Jeremy Corbyn is lying to Nicola Sturgeon about a second indy referendum then? Perhaps he plans to trap Scotland in his communist vision and divert all their revenue to Labour's new heartland in London?

Actually, just thought of a reason Westminster Tories benefit from Scotland. I believe our nuclear submarines are based there and they would be difficult to move?

’It’s hard to know what Cummings wants.’

The top two buttons removed from all shirts for men? The Precious?

Ask the Guardian journalist

Presumably the journalist was just reporting what he said. You seemed to be repeating it with a view. Given your second post it looks like you posted the quotes as some sort of proof BJ wouldn't want rid of Scotland. If that's the case, does that mean you believe Boris Johnson tells the truth? I struggle to understand how anyone could believe a word he says anymore, I don't think we've ever had a politician who lies so routinely and blatantly.

I bet BJ/Cummings dump NI in a heartbeat if they could.

Ken I think the Astutes could come to Devonport, as that is where the SSNs were based originally. More difficult for Trident...a new base would be needed, so either Cornwall or Wales I think. They provide a lot of employment opportunities.

I don't think Corbyn actually gives a shit either about the Union, and he is just as enveloped in the Westminster bubble as the rest of them.

Put them in the Serpentine and the lake in St James's park. That should go down very well.

@scaryteacher
Thanks for that info.

I don't think for a second they do.

KenDodd
I missed your post earlier - take your pick:

Boris Johnson - may or may not allow Scotland to hold indyref2.

Jeremy Corbyn - has promised Nicola Sturgeon that Scotland can hold indyref2 if she supports him - Jeremy Corbyn always tells the truth.

Oh the irony of the UK having to leave the oppression of the EU to be a sovereign country, but the scots just have to put up and shut up

I think it will depend on how useful Scotland will be after brexit as to whether Scotland stays in the UK. Boris Johnson appears to be a pretty rubbish negotiator, so the demands of the EU/US could be important. Also I could see NS being able to outwit him if the opportunity arises.

However, the wishes of the actual of the Scottish people will be irrelevant. Sadly.