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Should I just be grateful he pays maintenance? AIBU?

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Lily2009 · 06/12/2019 18:33

Separated for 4yrs, divorced for 2 yet DC ‘dad’ gets worse not better. For example, never replies to emails or texts about DC. Only confirms pick-up the day of, after DC have text/called numerous times to get his attention. They are primary age kids for heavens sake. Only sees them once a fortnight, no formal plan in place. He never calls or texts them (he bought them phones so he could stay in touch!). We don’t know if he’s coming or not. Refuses to plan. Email sent 2 weeks ago with draft dates for Xmas. No reply but tells DC that mummy doesn’t want to spend Xmas all together! Kids distraught of course, had to unpick that when they came back to me last time. For the past 3 years I’ve gone over to his house and had lunch together. The atmosphere has got worse and worse with each year. The DC haven’t seemed to notice but I feel they are too old not to this year. He doesn’t speak to me at all! It makes me quite ill. I think he has some form of BPD as he point blank puts himself first. This evening, refused to pick up at 6pm rather than 5.45 as requested (DS asked because DC wanted to come to the vet appt for our poorly cat) because he’d been driving and away from home all week. A total control freak. Likes to withhold on the maintenance 4 or 5 times a year until I ask for it. Refuses to give maintenance for August because if he did then he wouldn’t be able to take them on holiday and I would have to pay for childcare instead. Those are his words! Any advice anyone? Will someone like this ever change? He was mostly emotionally and financially abusive in our relationship. Sadly it developed over time, so subtle and I’d make excuses for him until one day I woke up and realised our relationship wasn’t actually how a ‘partnership’ should feel/be. Some shared experiences of controlling ex’s who seem intent on using DC to emotionally abuse would be helpful right now. I feel like I’m losing my mind!

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lisag1969 · 06/12/2019 20:11

I think it would be better for you and the children if you called the CSA. Better off without him.
I also agree with you about BPD. My ex partner had it. It became a nightmare

Littlemissdaredevil · 06/12/2019 20:13

If he doesn’t respond to you about Christmas arrangements could you go away or visit someone else’s house?

ffswhatnext · 06/12/2019 20:21

Get onto CSA.
Sounds like all contact with you two is mainly through email/text so you have these in later years.
I'd also be stopping going over to his for Christmas lunch. The dc's, of course, can go over the period, but you don't have to.
Don't get me wrong it's nice when separated parents spend time together. But it's only good if you are both on good terms, which you aren't.
So he cannot say it's you, I would be tempted to send him a text with the revised plan, and the dc's included. Stroke his ego, tell him how nice it would be for him to spend time with the dc's without you there blah blah blah.

Like I said, tempted. I wouldn't as it wouldn't be fair on them. They will already know what a waste of space he is, simply from his lack of communication and making it all about him.

noworlater13 · 06/12/2019 20:23

If he got better you both would still be together.
Plan it out. Tell the dc that daddy is going travelling for a few months and so you won't see him. Then go CMS.
You aren't together which means he's always going be worse.

ffswhatnext · 06/12/2019 20:25

Oh and if he doesn't respond, get on with your day. It's his choice to not to respond whilst he what, sees what better options he has?

It's a shame that the dc's contact him asking him. When mine were younger I didn't say a thing to them until he let me know he was on his way. If I was nearby great, if not oh well shame you couldn't have confirmed your plans and left the dc's hanging.

Lily2009 · 06/12/2019 20:25

Thank you for sharing your experience. This is what I’m missing to make firm on my decision to do something. It takes a lot of heartache to get to this point. You all sound so strong and I wish I had half as much strength with this! I am a strong and decisive person in all other aspects of life but need a big, honest, non-biased push on this one! I’ve decided to go to child maintenance as soon as Xmas is over. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone you’re all right. The thing that’s stopped me is feeling sorry for him, being ashamed and belittled by him and not wanting to anger him for fear of what he’ll say or do via the kids. I can see that his current behaviour is subtle yet damaging to the people I’m trying desperately to protect!! Thank you.

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willowmelangell · 06/12/2019 20:27

Maybe it IS time to try something different.
It is so easy for me, sat in my lovely quiet house, to think 'cut him off' 'stop begging for him to be the dad he should be.' I have not suffered your life.

He is getting more difficult and does punish you. I, personally, feel that the dc phones are a tool that he uses against you.
I don't quite understand why you have to be in the same room as him Christmas day.

You have been afraid for so long now. I would really urge you to take one definite positive step towards cutting one thing that allows him to still abuse you.

Phone CMS before 2020

Lily2009 · 06/12/2019 20:33

He hasn’t given me their passports back yet either. They went away in August. This does concern me too. Again, stepping back it’s another control thing. He WANTS me to ask for them back. He stole my wedding/engagement rings from me until I was stood in court opposite him and the judge ordered him to hand them back. He lied in front of the judge and said he didn’t have them! He’s a very well paid ‘exec’, drives around lot yes. I fled the family home with the kids after he became violent and threatened to harm me and himself. Terrifying.

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IndieTara · 06/12/2019 20:41

Op report their passports as lost

AllYouGoodGoodPeople · 06/12/2019 21:00

He's got their passports? FGS thisnis why you need a court order that says they live with you. He's got PR - he could just bugger off with them now if he felt like it. When you have a CAO in place then they are better protected. You can't force him to have contact with them.

sadwithkiddies · 06/12/2019 21:27
  1. go to CMS.
  2. Apply for a child arrangements order - you can absolutely do this with or without your solicitor. you simply state on the form you wish for regular court appointed contact as there is no pattern/dad cancels etc.....a court will hear your case and dictate which has to be stuck to or he will be in contempt of court.
TheOrigRightsofwomen · 06/12/2019 21:34

You can apply for a child arrangement order and self represent. It costs a few hundred pounds.
You will have to go to a MIAM and then either get an exemption or attend mediation. If there is a history of DV then you will get an exemption, but you'll have to have a police report as 'proof'

As for CMS...good luck with that. I opened my case nearly a year ago and between them being the most incompetent service I have ever had the misfortune to deal with, and my ex being a bastard, it's all been a very, very difficult process and still not there. I almost wish I hadn't started it because the way it works ("oh, we have to give him 2 weeks to not respond"), feeds right out of the hand of someone who uses delay and ignoring as a way to control people (YOU). It's similar to the whole court/divorce process.

I'd get the CAO done first.

TheOrigRightsofwomen · 06/12/2019 21:40

dictate which has to be stuck to or he will be in contempt of court.

Do you mean breaching the order? Contempt of court is something else.

It's unlikely that an initial CAO would have that much weight.
Only once a CAO has been broken (either repeatedly or badly) and it's been taken back to court for a rearrangement of the order, would a penal notice be attached.

There is usually no consequence of someone breaking a CAO, you just have to take it back to court.

TheOrigRightsofwomen · 06/12/2019 21:48

Still waiting for my ex to tell me when he'll see his our son over Xmas. No reply to my 3 emails. I have gone ahead with my plans.
So fucking damaging for a 10 year old boy who loves his Dad and can't understand.

OrangeSlices998 · 06/12/2019 21:48

OP you are strong, even if you don’t feel like it. You’ve left him, and that takes huge courage. He’s now controlling you and the kids because you have removed yourself - it’s punishment. He doesn’t sound like a good role model for your kids, or that they adore him if his unpredictability causes anxiety and upset. Be fair, be open but don’t chase him.

You are so so strong remember that. ❤️

Lily2009 · 06/12/2019 22:16

Thank you everyone I really appreciate your honest opinions. Something def has to change - I’ve reached that point. I did show my frustration in front of the kids tonight which is what prompted me to post here to get thoughts and think about making a change.....it’s just not right for them to see that. I’ve called my work helpline, arranging some counselling for my son and myself. Also, going to get advice around the new emotional abuse law that was passed this year to see if that can help. Will also call CSA on Monday and look into a court order!

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Lily2009 · 06/12/2019 22:19

TheOrigRightsofwomen I hope he does the right thing and gets in touch but even if he doesn’t I’m impressed you’ve made plans and won’t be hanging around waiting. I need to get better at that!

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noworlater13 · 06/12/2019 22:22

For 14 years I've been dealing with my exh regarding money. He was shit in the relationship and since. Only paid me the last two years but I felt it wasn't enough £300 a month for two teens. Well CMS calculated and he's to pay £820!!!

Stop this shit situation your in. I have been the nice one for so long but how behaviour started to damage the dc so I turned cold and look he's was really out doing the dc.
These men are shameful don't live in their shadow any longer!!!

IHateWashingUp2 · 06/12/2019 22:57

You would find the Freedom Programme really helpful OP, preferably in a group (rather than online although that would help too) so you can meet and hear other women who have been or are going through the same. It shows how abusive men work and the effects they have on women and children.

Hope the counselling goes well, that’s a great step!

Nearly all abusive ex’s try to use the children to retain some control. You have to do anything you can to build your confidence and try and keep him squashed in the corner of your mind rather than dominating your every thought. Try and be business like in dealings over your son. Support DS but don’t shield him completely: he, sadly, needs to know what his dad is like. Actually he will already know this, at least subconsciously, so needs a lead from you in how to deal with it. It is possible to do this without fostering any disrespect for his father. Not easy though, I know. Read When Dad Hurts Mom by Lundy Bancroft; in fact, anything by Lundy Bancroft would help you.

Gingerkittykat · 07/12/2019 00:18

The only way my ex stopped being a bastard was when I disengaged from him and only allowed extremely limited contact via text about drop of and pick ups. Any other contact about any other subject only led to stress and hassle.

DD had him on a pedestal too and once she reached her teens realised what he was like and ultimately stopped contact but there was a lot of stress and heartache involved there too.

I would also formalise the maintenance via CMS so it is not something he can hold over you.

Lily2009 · 07/12/2019 07:31

Two Lundy Bancroft books bought! Thank you, they look really helpful.

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