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in being shocked at young boy in sleazy tshirt???

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indiasmum · 22/08/2007 18:19

was in sainsburys with dd (thats irrelevant really dont know why i said that!) and saw a boy age about 11 or 12, really no older wearing a tshirt which on a man i would have thought 'twat' or similar.... one of those dreadful fcuk things where the joke has really overrun itself now
it said on it

'too busy to fcuk'

now obv i know it doesnt say the actual f word and haha arent french connection really funny and all that?! but on a boy? out with his parents? why would you let your child wear it? nay, why would you buy it for your child to wear?

now it doesnt offend me per se, i just think its wrong! i dont think i am being unreasonable to expect children to wear suitable attire and that i wont have to be bothered by said child and his 'oh-so-liberal- parents all night!

would you have been shocked by this?

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iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 00:13

my dd has a playboy top and shes 7 but its tasteful, it doesnt have any crude lettering on it, its just a simple pink t shirt with a white vest top thingy sewn in underneath and it has little bunny heads printed here and there, i think its really cute

alycat · 27/08/2007 00:26

Saw an under 10 yr old girl with 'If your cute I'm single' today.

Since reading this thread I think I've notice slogan t's more.

emj23, on the Mary Queen of Shops the one that horrified me was 'and all daddy wanted was a blowjob' tots t shirt - just horrific imho.

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 00:34

WTF?!!! I just don't get what's wrong with some people. People are constantly moaning about what a sick society we are creating and about the world being less safe for our children - then they casually sexualize their children and fail to see a connection. It makes me so - just let children be children FFS

Alambil · 27/08/2007 00:34

i guess a pretty t-shirt with bunny heads is cute but its what those particular bunny heads represent... altho it does sound a cute top

I hate those sort of t-shirts too although there are some brilliant amusing ones (not at all crude types - just jokes etc)

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 00:37

And I'm afraid I'm with LewisFan on what those bunny heads represent...

j20baby · 27/08/2007 00:41

DD aged 7 has got t shirts saying

'BLAH BLAH BLAH HEARD IT ALL BEFORE'

'if i'm not happy, NOBODY'S happy'

and when she was younger she had 'Boys lie, poke em in the eye' but that was a private joke, so when we saw the t shirt, we just had to buy it.

don't think i'd let her wear a sexually explicit one though, but probably would let her wear the bunny one if she wanted to.

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 00:48

The bunny head thing is a hard one, because I know they are popular and I also realise that if DD was older she could well be nagging me to have stuff with them on like her friends. I know that I'd be able to stand my ground though, cos DH would go apeshit if I let her wear anything with it on!!!

I must admit, I am concerned about the sudden merchandising of this logo on things for little girls - stationery, bedding, clothing. Although it looks cute and probably seems a bit inoccuous, IMO it is just a slow drip, drip, drip into what we allow and what we see as acceptable, and is another step towards making our children grow up too quickly.

Caroline1852 · 27/08/2007 00:54

I think you are not being unreasonable. The parents that bought this youth this t-shirt probably dress their 7 year old daughter in clothes that a Kings Cross hooker might reject as too provocative. I would love to know if it is the parents saying: "F### if you wouldn't look look well good in that" or is it the children saying: "buy me that t-shirt you drugged up f**k-wit of a mother/father". I suspect it is the former, sadly.

Isababel · 27/08/2007 01:04

About Playboy's logo stuff... it may look cute but the sexuality aspect of what the Playboy's bunny represent it is difficult to forget even if the person wearing it is a young child (actually, someway it makes it worse)

iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 12:39

To be honest though, i would rather her wear a top with a couple of bunny heads on than the clothes she would like to wear.....

short short tops, tiny skirts etc to mimic the beloved "bratz" dolls.

I would never buy my children t-shirts with horrible slogans on them, I saw a little girl who i think could only be about 18 months as she was toddling along, wearing a t-shirt that read "psycho bitch" on it nor would i buy said tiny tops and skirts.

I like to keep in with the fashions but not to an extent that they become offensive to other people. For example I have an fcuk top, its a blue hoodie with fcuk written across it, my nan saw it and nearly chocked on her teeth even when i explained what it meant she was still beetroot in the face so i took it off and hid it

Blondilocks · 27/08/2007 12:58

Are you sure it was a 12 yr old boy? I saw what I thought was a 13/14 yr old boy a while back & then I saw him on several other occasions driving a car & a company car at that, dropping his dad off at work so he must be at least 18!

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 14:30

But just to bang on about the bunny head a bit more.

What kind of TV channel is the Playboy Channel?

Are the Playboy Bunnies visiting the Mansion there so men can feel envious of all the intellectual conversation that Hugh Heffner is engaging in with them?

What is Playboy Magazine most famous for? (Aside from the scintillating articles)

My DH reminded me that when we drive into the city centre, we pass a massage parlour that has a picture of a bunny head on the outside.

I find this marketing the bunny head to little girls very nasty and sinister. I know I'll be accused of overreacting, and this is the first thread I've ever been particularly contentious on - but I feel really strongly about it.

iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 14:49

girls in bunny outfits, thats all i think of when i think of playboy!!! actually ive never associated playboy with porn is it porn or just modelling?

filthymindedvixen · 27/08/2007 14:57

I am feeling slightly wierd and hypocritical as I hate rude t-shirts on children. But as ds 1 (almost 10) spent his pocketmoney on a T-shirt at a festival with a band where a figure is flicking a V sign. He wore it yesterday just as his friend's parents turned up to drop him off. I found myself babbling justifications. My son just looked at the parents and said: ''the V sign isn't swearing. It was offensive to the French at the Battle of Agincourt where the archers used it to demonstrate they still had their bowing fingers after some people had their cut off if captured.''

I think that's probably a myth. And I still don't think I'm ready to let him wear it in public !

filthymindedvixen · 27/08/2007 14:58

Modelling surely requires some clothes to erm, model....

Caroline1852 · 27/08/2007 15:15

filthymindedvixen - Re the Agincourt thing (I think that is true by the way). It is a bit like saying the C word is not rude it is just a word to decribe a bit of a woman's anatomy.

filthymindedvixen · 27/08/2007 15:19

well yes, but it depends whether you believe it to represent F off or just a confrontational historical gesture...most people do intepret it as a gesture meaning F Off, therefore I can't condone my young son wearing it in public; Not if it is likely to offend the majority of people.
A cunt is a cunt! (can't believe I just said that...)

Caroline1852 · 27/08/2007 15:22

Filthymindedvixen - Big lol!

iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 15:31

well surely the "playboy bunny" is only the bunny girls or does it mean sh*ing like rabbits i dunno lol

MingMingtheWonderPet · 27/08/2007 15:37

Saew a t-shirt for a 5yo boy in M&S last year which had 'Dirty Rotten Apple' emblazoned on it. Charming!

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 16:24

I've been looking on Wikepedia about Playboy in general (didn't really want to risk googling Playboy). The term "bunny girl" refers to the waitresses who wear corsets and little bunny tails. My feeling is that this image is generally seen as sexy and a little bit titillating, though not so much as the Playmates who are the centrefolds. Even from this point of view, I would be very unhappy about my dd wearing anything with a playboy bunny on. I would certainly not be letting her prance around in a bunny girl outfit (OK she's just a toddler now, but I mean this for the next many years to come), so why would I let her wear something with the bunny logo on that nods to that?

On top of that, Playboy TV, if I understand correctly from looking at Wikepedia, carries a bunnyhead logo - and it is an adult entertainment channel.

Whether or not the symbol refers just to the bunny girls - I think that when most people see it, they think of Playboy as a brand, and I'm afraid that I just don't see how it can be divorced from the sexuality that the brand is associated with.

iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 17:10

ah well. me personally dont see anything wrong with it but everyone has there own opinion

I think there are alot of things this day and age that can be branded "sexual" like anne summers nurses uniforms that people strut around town wearing and then nurses uniforms i buy for my dds which are basically the mini version of the anne summres one, and strippers police and fireman outfits which can be brought for little boys, again just the mini version!

also when my dds school did a play they had bunnies in it, and they were dressed in black leotars with little fluffy tails so basically like the playboy bunnies. Thats what immediatly came to my head when i saw them but i think you just have to take everything with a pinch of salt.

as i have said i would never go and buy my kids a t-shirt with rude wording on, but a couple of bunnies are fine in my book, also i think playboy are branching away from the sexual side of it and are just starting a line of products like clothes, watches etc etc. It is more of a designer brand now i think, in catalouges its next to morgan and firetrap.

Im sorry ive just rambled on again (im bored) lol. And didnt mean to be offensive or argumentative

DixiePixie · 27/08/2007 17:41

Ah well, I stand by what I've said, but have not found you offensive or argumentative. I've just been giving my opinion in the spirit of debate and also because I think it is an important issue. I'm not knocking your right to have an opinion too. I know the bunny logo is becoming more and more popular, and that lots of people will disagree with me, so this is not a personal attack, it's just it's a trend that concerns me ? alot.

I know what you're saying about children dressing up in bunny outfits like leotards and ears - that is totally different IMO, because then the child is dressing up as a rabbit. They are not dressing up as a sexy waitress in a figure-enhancing corset with the express purpose of titillating anyone (or I bloody hope not anyway!)

Ditto in terms of dressing in nurse outfits etc. The sexual connotation given to this is something that is an add-on that some grownups give it. Nurses I am pretty darned sure wear nurses outfits because it is the uniform that they wear at work. When children dress in nurse costumes, it is so they can play at being nurses who work in hospitals caring for patients, not because they are playing at being at ?naughty night nurses?. That is the adult fantasy, not the child fantasy, and I would hope that most people could see the difference between the two.

The fact is that the Playboy bunny is the Playboy bunny ? it?s not any old cute bunny hopping around in a field. It is a recognisable, iconic logo and refers to that particular brand and empire, and all the associations that go with it. It is the fact that it is being seen as just any old designer brand and insinuating itself into mainstream fashion, and particularly the mainstream fashion of young girls that bothers me. It?s like it?s tiptoeing quietly into that part of our consciousness so that nobody questions it.

iliketosleep · 27/08/2007 17:44

this concerns me more would you buy it lol

filthymindedvixen · 27/08/2007 17:45

strippers police and firemen's costumes for little boys . You do realise that when little boys are dressing up in a firemen's helmet and a jacket with 'fire' on, they are emulating, erm, actual fireman don't you?
They don't come with a velcro fastening, flame-painted thong and a cd with 'You Sexy Thang' on for them to gyrate to....

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