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niece- boyfriend age/age difference

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juancarlos · 06/12/2019 08:37

hi all,

apologies for duplicating this post from a different forum I posted it in the wrong one originally and didn't know how to move it

im just after the general thoughts on family dispute that im in the middle of regarding my niece and her boyfriend. its bit of a long story so here goes.....

my sisters daughter has been dating a guy since she just turned 14 (18 months or so ago)according to the date she changed her relationship status on facebook, so she may have been 13 really and he would have been 18. shes now 15. according to his facebook page he turns 20 this month, although my sister reckons he's 19 this month(he's since changed his security settings to hide his age). my sister not only seems fine with this age difference, but she actually drives my niece the hour or so to his house so she can spend the night there. not only is it my sister ok with the situation, every other single member of my side of the family seems fine with it. he' gets invited to family meals, the lot.

the actual dispute kicked off about a month a go. I have a 9 year old daughter who I've tried to keep away from any event that he was going to be at, as shes at an impressionable age and I don't want her growing up thinking that's ok to date 18 year old guys whens shes 14. for my daughters birthday, she wanted to go out for a family meal, so we asked everyone in my family . my sisters response was " is it ok if gert brings bert?" (not their real names). my sister being quite volatile, I tried to be diplomatic, and just said, "maybe next time, mary doesn't really know him and she just wants to keep it family" . she still spat her dummy out and said we were pathetic and gert was so upset that none of her lot were coming to the meal out of protest.

anyway, we got to the restaurant on the night and only my mum and dad showed up from my side of the family. I was determined not to get draw into the conversation and ruin the night but the pratically the first words out of my mums mouth were " how come bert wasn't allowed to come?" my wife quickly told it wasn't the time or the place and the rest of the meal went off with nothing more that an uncomfortable atmosphere.

I phoned my mum when we got home to explain in so uncertain terms why I didn't want him around my kids, and that I thought he was a perv and that if is was a sexual relationship (as the stories going around her school were reporting) its statutory rape. and the jist of her response was that she "wasnt going to take sides, and that I cant tell my sister that as she would " be upset" " and she didn't think they are sexually active anyway. I could tell by the tone of her voice that she thought I was overreacting. a few weeks pasted and I justkept away from them all til I calmed down. but e saw my mum and dad the other day, and my mum said that its " probably best " if I don't go to the family get-together we usually have down their house on boxing day!!(presumably because bert will be there) and that we should go down the following evening instead.

just to give a few other brief examples of what I've had to deal with the past...

-my sister had a go at my wife being overprotective of my daughter for not letting her play out in the street on her own when she was 3.
-when my niece was 12, my sister fell out with me because I told my niece to stop using the 'F' work in front of my6 year old daughter
-also when she was 12my niece announced she was in a relationship with a 16 year old that she met online that lived at the opposite end of the country. my sister actually let her make the 300 odd mile journey with my uncle and auntie to go and meet him!!( massive fallout from this was the reason why I kept quiet for so long about her current "romance"

didn't mean this to be such an epic post. but just needed to get it off my chest.

am I overreacting to the whole? I feel like the black sheep of the family for not wanting to invite a paedo out for tea

if anyones managed to read the whole of that post any honest opinions on the matter would be appreciated

OP posts:
Veterinari · 06/12/2019 11:42

So your parents are prioritising your neice’s pervert boyfriend over you?

kilburnfrenchie · 06/12/2019 11:59

Honestly you might be right but you are going about this completely the wrong way.
Refusing to see him and by extension your niece and your family. is not helping anyone- least of all your niece.

Things you can do that are helpfil are to
make your views known calmly and sensibly to your sister. Once. Then leave it.
Get to know him and form your own view as to whether there is a serious risk to your niece here
Make yourself available to your niece instead of alienating her. This involves accepting- not necessarily condoning - the fact that she is in this relationship.
Hold your boundaries calmly but firmly- e.g you can refuse to facilitate them sleeping together in your house. You can’t police other peoples houses.
Explain to your daughter about appropriate age differences in language she can understand.

Beyond that refusing to see them is pointless unless your main intent is drama and family rift. As is throwing words like paedo around.

PinkJam · 06/12/2019 12:13

@juancarlos I think you sound like a really good parent and are doing the right thing speaking up. Even if they don’t like hearing it at least you are trying to protect your niece. And I would be exactly the same as you - I wouldn’t be able to bite my tongue and pretend it was ok.

just5morepeas · 06/12/2019 12:28

As to the facebook thing, I think you can change your settings so you can't be tagged in photos, because that just comes across as shit stirring and I wouldn't want to be tagged in photos if I'm not in them.

juancarlos · 06/12/2019 12:35

@kilburnfrenchie. The only contact ive had with my sister over the matter was to say" maybe he can come next time, as my daughter doesnt know him" shes refused to speak to me just for saying that, ive never used the word paedo to her... and my mum didnt tell her id said it. But maybe i was a bit harsh on that front. But at the end of the day hes an adumt in a romantic relationshio with a child

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 06/12/2019 12:37

Just here to duplicate my post on your other thread in case you didn't go back to that one

I never really know where I stand on these kinds of relationships because I met my DP when I was 17 and he's a fair bit older. But I was a very mature 17.

So it terms of calling him a perv, without personally getting to know him, I think YABU. She may well have (almost definitely did) lied about her age for a while.

However your sisters judgment is way off on a lot of things and I 100% support you not wanting him around your daughter as you know nothing about him.

I also don't understand why he has to attend every family event. Presumably you or your sister would've been expected to pay for him too?

I'd tell your mother to do one with regards to Xmas. You're being excluded for wanting to protect your niece. Something nobody else in the family seems to have the slightest bit of concern about.

This might sound extreme but if they're not protecting your niece how can you expect them to protect your daughter?

SexlessBoulderBelly · 06/12/2019 12:43

Is you’re family my family, OP?

You sounds like very normal, nice people. Then someone the other side of the family are this common, tacky and quite unbearable group of idiots.

I decided to estrange myself from that half of the family because it’s not worth the drama and shit stirring that seems to be almost constant.

Rid yourself any anyone who is likely to have a negative impact on your life. Life is too short to worry about them, family or not.

SmoothOrange · 06/12/2019 12:46

Well done for keeping your daughter away from this paedophile OP

SmoothOrange · 06/12/2019 12:47

Report him to the police and let them decide if it is appropriate.

juancarlos · 06/12/2019 12:54

@GiveHerHellFromUs ibhave no problem any age gap once both are 16+. Its 2 consenting adults then. Its the fact that she was 13 /14 when they met... .. and some of his earlier posts to her on facebook seem like they're straight from the groomers handbook.... things like.... "people may try and tear us apart , but just makes us stronger and means were meant to be togethe"

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mauvaisereputation · 06/12/2019 12:57

YANBU at all, well done for sticking up for your DD's interests in a difficult situation.

SexlessBoulderBelly · 06/12/2019 13:00

There’s 9 years between me and DP. I met him when I was 17 and we knew we would get together, we talked about it but I said until I turn 18, it was only a year but people don’t seem to car as much once you’re 18! I didn’t want to publicly display out interest for each other, I was terrified he would get all sorted of name calling. Still together nearly 6 years on, brought our house and have a little one on the way. Alls good. If they’re both serious then they’d both wait, no?

I cannot imagine what people must say behind his back.

Someone local to me was charged a few years ago for statutory rape, was only found out after he got her pregnant. He was early 20’s, I think around 24 and she was early teens. He moved in with her at her parents house and the parents didn’t care, it was truly vile.

HarrietTheFly · 06/12/2019 13:01

i don't really have any one to one contact with my niece since the original fallout out when my niece was 12. im starting to think that maybe shes following in her mothers footstep, in being a troublemaker

You're probably right that she's being a trouble maker but she is a child with, what sounds like, absolutely no proper guidance from the adults who are supposed to be responsible for her. I would try not to judge her too harshly.

I have some close family members who I do not want around my DD because they're irresponsible and... They're bad people basically. It makes me sad to think about them but I've cut ties as much as I can because I don't want my DD to grow up and have the same dysfunctional family problems that I had when I grew up. I want her to have a happy childhood with good boundaries and so on. So I don't really have much contact with these family members anymore. It can be a bit awkward, especially with things like Christmas, but I believe it is best for my DD and I think you're doing the best for yours too.

juancarlos · 06/12/2019 13:04

I did forget to mention that my sister is completely irrational and it not possible to hold a conversion with where you have a different opinion to hers

When i was 16 she knocked me off my bike with her car because i ate the last the baguette lol

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 06/12/2019 13:06

@juancarlos is your sister older than you?
Was she very 'independent' when she was DN's age?

DeathStare · 06/12/2019 13:13

But at the end of the day hes an adumt in a romantic relationshio with a child

Please please please report this. Please. This is a very vulnerable young girl, and the more you say about her situation the more concerned I am about her vulnerability. As you said this is statutory rape - and her parents are knowingly taking her to her rapist and are knowingly welcoming him into their home - even to the point of excluding protective adults.

This young girl needs you to protect her. Nobody else is going to. Please report it.

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