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To ask what first steps I take if I want to get into acting

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Cloudylemon23 · 04/12/2019 22:15

I’ve saved up enough to devote all my time to this at the moment. Doing some work as a tv extra.
What else can I do? Any ideas please?
Any other related jobs that I can do that would help my CV?
Ps I’m not naive and know how competitive things are.
Any ideas and advice really appreciated, thanks

OP posts:
Everycloud12 · 06/12/2019 13:31

It's not a question of getting into something later!

You don't seem to appreciate that the questions you've chosen to ask on mn have not painted you in a very good light. If you can't see that...

I hope you do succeed op but I'm afraid that it seems unlikely based on this thread.

Cloudylemon23 · 06/12/2019 13:49

People criticising the asking don’t seem to be getting that you can do research outside of mumsnet and still ask opinions and questions on mumsnet- surely that’s what mumsnet is for!
I can still google the basic questions and do research as well as asking about relevant experience on here.
Disagree about the bluntness thing- there’s a difference between sounding blunt and bitter

OP posts:
AFairlyHardAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:01

People criticising the asking don’t seem to be getting that you can do research outside of mumsnet and still ask opinions and questions on mumsnet- surely that’s what mumsnet is for!
Yes that is what Mumsnet is for and posters have shared their opinions and answered your questions.

I can still google the basic questions and do research as well as asking about relevant experience on here.
And people have answered your questions, you just don't like the answers!

Taking criticism graciously and genuinely taking it on board without lashing out is probably one of the most important qualities a successful actor can have. Try to see past being disappointed with the answers and take them on board instead of labelling people bitter.

AFairlyHardAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:05

@stonebrambleboy Laurence Pearce, the uncle from Only Fools and Horses, first appeared in the show in 1981. He didn't start acting later in life, he trained for it from before WWII! His bio tells us:

Born in Paddington, Pearce trained as an actor at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, in London.

During World War II, Pearce performed for the Entertainments National Service Association (ENSA). In the early 1960s, he understudied for Stanley Holloway as Alfred P. Doolittle in the original West End production of My Fair Lady. After 1965, he appeared in many plays at the National Theatre, including Much Ado About Nothing and Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

He worked with both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins on stage. In 1966, Pearce starred in Richard Brinsley Sheridan's The Rivals alongside David Jason, but the two men did not meet again until 15 years later.

In 1975, Pearce played Owl in a theatre adaptation of Winnie the Pooh at the Phoenix Theatre in London and, two years later, Mr Witherspoon in Arsenic and Old Lace at the Westminster Theatre. He was also a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company.

AFairlyHardAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:09

Sorry that was the Grandad actor, my bad. But Buster Merryfield who played Uncle Albert (brilliantly) also had plenty of experience:

Before turning professional as an actor Merryfield was a keen amateur actor and director. His productions of John Osborne's The Entertainerr, The World-My Canvas by Ruth Dixon and A View from the Bridgee by Arthur Miller, for the now defunct amateur theatre group The Characters, won Best Play at the Woking Drama Festival in 1966, 1968 and 1969 respectively.[3] He also won the Best Actor trophy for his roles in The Entertainer and The World-My Canvas.[4]

Cloudylemon23 · 06/12/2019 14:11

Afairlyhardavacado- I totally disagree with you
I am taking on board the answers but am surprised at the amount of criticism I have for even for asking the questions.
I am not the one lashing out. I merely pointed out the bitter nature of some of the answers
Best of luck to you tooSmile

OP posts:
21seconds · 06/12/2019 14:17

Well this has been amassing... I’m quite happy sitting here sucking lemons with my degree from drama school, a play Just closed in one of the best theatres in the uk, and a new year packed with work including development of a piece in the US. I work hard and take my work seriously, therefore when people don’t take seriously my words or the words of others and importantly don’t listen, I get a little narked. It’s an anon forum but if those of us in the industry were to identify ourselves I’d hope you would be more than a little embarrassed. Personally I have been frustrated at how you have been asked over and over by several posters about why you want to do this and for more info to help us help you. You have ignored this and only responded to posters talking Disney and don’t give up on your dream. It’s not about when you start it’s not about a dream or it being an unattainable or difficult career. The reason a few of us are responding bluntly here is that you are not listening. At the start of my career if I could have got into a room even virtually with people in the industry or people who know people in the industry I would have a list of questions and ask about career paths and who to speak to, and ask about the passions and inspirations. I would not ask about shortcuts and call anyone who I didn’t agree with bitter. As a result you come across as lost in self belief petulant naive and self centred. You will be a phenomenal actor darling.. I will be sure to look out for you..

BMW6 · 06/12/2019 14:21

The only thing I don't understand OP is having had this ambition to act all your life, why you haven't done any acting at all so far?

Cloudylemon23 · 06/12/2019 14:25

And you don’t think you’re coming across as bitter 21 seconds?
Thanks again for all the helpful folk on this post
I appreciate your time very much,I’m grateful.

OP posts:
AndWhatnot · 06/12/2019 14:29

Very well said 21seconds

I don’t see any bitter responses on this thread, just industry insiders who are being realistic about OP’s ambitions.

21seconds · 06/12/2019 14:29

I did reference lemons darling.. Grin

BMW6 · 06/12/2019 14:35

But why haven't you done any acting at all before now? As you haven't done any, what leads you to think you have a talent for it??

AFairlyHardAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:36

Definition of "bitter" - feeling or showing anger, hurt, or resentment because of bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment.

It's literally a perfect description of your attitude on this thread! It's such a shame people have tried to share insight from within a highly competitive industry and you've been so hostile labelling people bitter. The definition doesn't even fit. Best of luck in the industry 👌🏻

Drabarni · 06/12/2019 14:39

A lot of actors are working in promotions in supermarkets. not much about whilst starting out.
Which college did you attend, does your alumni help in any way. Some jobs are recruited from colleges.
What about appearing on shows like take me Out, a friend I know did this to gain a portfolio.
What about mascot work at the football/rugby clubs.

How will you pay your way whilst waiting for work?

Cloudylemon23 · 06/12/2019 14:41

I would beg to differ that it’s people here who have been hostile to me. It’s not myself who has been hostile one bit.
Good luck too.

OP posts:
SinglePringle · 06/12/2019 14:45

With a twenty two year career in the entertainment industry, I too feel the use of the word ‘bitterness’ is less than appropriate here.

I welcome new talent and have nurtured and mentored many. There is no point sugar coating it - those who are successful in the vast majority started in childhood / teens and went to drama school at 18 (ish).

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:46

I was nuts about acting and drama.... I chose something easier to be successful in...

So... I attended drama workshops since I was 6, attended local amateur stage things from 8,. Helped out back stage, acted and sung on stage... 3 or so productions every year. At uni too, directed a couple of things... Read and read... Joined community things, stsge directed community productions...
Read Plays/music/listened to interviews followed plays/authors the people mentioned up... Devoured biographies...

I ended up NOT formally training??
Why? As I loved it.... But...
Too many good women actors I knew are struggling to pay bills and few casting opps.

Many left the business by 30,nearly all by 40. Any retrained to be drama/singing teachers....

Also looking back... Even if I had managed training I wouldn't have stood out... I would have been competent... No more...

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 06/12/2019 14:48

PS from 6fh form onwards I saw at least one production a week.
I still do....

I'm your 30s...many many actors have similar backgrounds to me (plus training,) ... They :drink' theatre...

That's an awful lot of learning you won't have had the chance to benefit from...

Drabarni · 06/12/2019 14:49

I would reiterate again that it’s what I always wanted to do other than the job I went into

But whilst you were going into the job you were going into, your wouldbe peers were gaining experience and probably living off very little to support themselves.
We are a family of entertainers, we are skint, almost min wage. We do it because it is our job and couldn't imagine having a day job.

It can't be something you always wanted to do or you wouldn't have taken a job. We can all dream about what we would like to do but facts are unless you are prepared to live on fresh air it isn't going to happen.

JacquesHammer · 06/12/2019 14:53

The most successful actor I know did no professional training. He’s very much the exception!

KnickerBockerAndrew · 06/12/2019 14:53

Hi OP. I was an actor for many years, and I never went more than a week without work. I decided to give it up when I became pregnant, because travelling for location shoots and touring were, to me, incompatible with having young children. I did theatre, TV, film and cartoon voice over work. I remain in the same field- not to be too outing, but I do have a say in the casting of films, TV dramas and plays.
I didn't go to drama school but started at my feet, in theatre in education and community theatre. Then I moved on and got an agent, who spotted me in a play.

When I am casting now, drama school makes no difference to me- it's all on the look of the actor for that role, and then on the audition. In fact, people with no drama school experience often do far better in auditions- and in the job- than those who have gone to, say, RADA, Rose Bruford or Central- there is a definite tendency to overthink and overanalyse. I recently had to recast a RADA trained actor because he was just unable to do his job without oveerthinking- the one that was cast instead of him had been trained in an am dram club, and he was so much better and easier.

corythatwas · 06/12/2019 15:31

(Caveat: I have no personal experience of the industry but like another poster here have a child at drama school and she knows a lot of people).

As countless posters have pointed out, the important thing is how to access the experience, technique and knowhow you will need in this profession.

Yes, some people do go straight into the profession without having been to drama school- I believe Rob James-Collier who played Thomas in Downton is one- but if you look at their bios they often have some other asset instead: years of experience in a good am-dram company, private lessons etc. Walking straight onto a professional stage without either experience or training is hardly likely.

Since the option of having already done 20 years in am-dram is clearly not for you, the first question must be whether you would be happy to go down the am-dram route now without necessarily planning for a profession. Some am-dram really is very good and could be equally satisfying. If not, then drama school seems the obvious option. There are all sorts of things you may not have thought about, like learning to breathe in the right way, learning to work with your body without damaging it. Drama schools provide training not only in acting, but also in industry-related aspects. They will often help you make a show-reel and invite agents.

Yes, some people manage to get through their training in a one year intensive MA and get agents and work at the end but a) they are extremely lucky b) they almost always have many years of previous involvement with the theatre c) they are EXTREMELY hard-working (dd shared a house with a couple of MA students last year and she was in complete awe of them).

A better route in your case would be the 3 year BA-type course. There are also a few non-standard schools running different programmes, e.g. the Fourth Monkey school in London which specialises in physical theatre and currently run a 2-year course.
Since you have no previous experience, you may well find you need a foundation year first to even have a chance to get into the BA (in fact, lots of people need the foundation anyway, just to be able to benefit from the BA).

Even getting into a foundation year at a decent drama school is competitive. Like the standard courses, you have to audition, which usually involves a) preparing monologues in advance b) an interview where you will be assessed for your preparedness in answering searching and sometimes brutal questions about your motivation c) a workshop where the panel will assess how well you take instruction and how well you interact with other people. Auditions can be absolutely gruelling as you are judged not only on skill and hard work but also on personality. Drama schools do weekend and summer courses on audition technique so you might want to sign up for something along those lines.

During drama school interview, they WILL ask you about signs of previous commitment. No, you don't have to have been acting since you were 4, but you do need to show that the theatre is a big part of your life NOW. That all your leisure time is spent on theatre-related things, that you are pro-active and full of initiative when it comes to accessing theatre-related things NOW, and that as for going to the theatre and reading more plays wild horses couldn't stop you (tbh if this is not your mindset, even a week spent with the other drama students will drive you round the bend and drama school would be a miserable place for you)

So if you have that mindset, then regardless of your chances you will be joining an am-dram company this afternoon anyway and spend the rest of the evening reading plays- because you just can't help yourself.

dottiedodah · 06/12/2019 16:03

My friends daughter who is very hard working and level headed ,is at Uni completing her degree in Drama .She has come straight from School .The Uni explained that she will probably have to have some other form of Income, and she is under no illusions about how tough it will be to get work.I feel for you and wish you well ,but why have you waited until now ? By the time you finish you will most likely be mid/late 30s! Many jobs will be for young women in their 20s /early 30s ! Really have a think about this .Have you been to Uni or got a degree already, as I am not sure you would be eligible for a Student Loan ,May be worth looking into .Good Luck .Be realistic and try to think logically .You dont want to end up in heaps of debt with little /nothing to show at the end of it!

CookieDoughKid · 06/12/2019 16:07

Op- what are your minimum living costs annually and have you factored in the cost of membership fees, cost of travel, living costs etc? If you're in your 30s do you intend to get a mortgage? I think it's great you have realised your dream but be mindful of the fact that as you get older, financial security becomes paramount. I hope you have savings, a good job and good luck with your plan to be an actor.

Thoughtlessinengland · 06/12/2019 16:14

I’m sorry OP but the thread comes across to me as significantly an attempt to get some easy information for a journalistic piece for a magazine or something similar and/or an attempt by someone either substantially earlier in their life than their 30s or with other difficulties which have got in the way of pursuing aspirations. Any personal motivation or awareness of this apparently strong passion has not come through and your posts continue to appear slightly strange.

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