AIBU to think i can't vote for Boris Johnson after this morning's interview?

[theduchessstill]

Well?

Blustering, politicising Friday's attack blatantly, blaming Labour for a terror attack when they've been out of power for 10 years, pathetic jokes about who is the best Andrew?! No answer for the horrible Islamophobic comments he has published...

Awful, awful man.

And even after this current attack Corbyn does not think that all people convicted of terrorism offences should serve their full terms. Now that's worrying. How on earth does he think they can be monitored sufficiently in the community?

Hard cases make bad law.

there is a difference in the language being used between the two main parties Isn't there just? Which one is using the language of extremism? Which is using the language of moderation? Which do we want in Britain?

@Greggers2017 you can’t just lock up everyone forever.

You have to start by working out what causes radicalisation in the first place, treat the cause not the symptoms. And if that doesn’t work you need robust and proven ways to manage people convicted of terrorism to integrate back into the community, with safeguarding.

By for that you need a fuck ton of resources and cash, and there isn’t any. So you end up with this happening.

OP unless you are Boris' seat you aren't voting for the worthless bag of meat anyway, you will be voting for some other dead-eyed poor hater with an agenda to kill poor people for fun.

And even after this current attack Corbyn does not think that all people convicted of terrorism offences should serve their full terms. Now that's worrying. How on earth does he think they can be monitored sufficiently in the community?
You can't stop bad people doing bad things. If you think otherwise you need to think again.

You can't stop bad people doing bad things. If you think otherwise you need to think again

Yes you can, it happens all the time, just doesn't make good news.

It's also very sad that people think this simplistically, when the reasons behind these acts are so complex and potentially fixable.

OK, you cannot stop EVERYONE who is bad doing a bad thing is what I should have said - of course we can stuff in the right direction, but any politician claiming (as Boris seems to be) that there is a simple answer is just as much of a tosser as Boris, and we will never fully eliminate crime.

That was my (admittedly badly expressed) point

By for that you need a fuck ton of resources and cash, and there isn’t any. So you end up with this happening

That’s not true. There isn’t enough money but there is huge provisions around ex offenders of certain crimes especially those linked to terrorism and child sex offenders. Of course more money would help support more services. Even if they are no longer in prison it just simply isn’t possible to monitor someone 24 hours a day especially once they have moved on from living in lower secure units.

There needs to be more work done in prisons the understanding why is very complex many also have mh issues and are vulnerable to being groomed.

There is enough money but only for things that they think are important. If they think it will win votes then they promise the money. They will find money for more grammar schools because they want to keep the rich happy that they can have good state schools without paying. They won't find money to ensure people on low incomes in zero hour contract jobs don't have to use food banks.

@Singlenotsingle

Nonsense. That particular law came in on Labour's watch in 2008. It was repealed by the Conservatives in 2012 but Usmar Khan was lucky enough to have been convicted before 2012. Therefore he had to be released after serving half his sentence. Anyone convicted after 2012 won't automatically be released after serving half their sentence.

That legislation did not apply to terrorism and violent criminals. They did not let him out under that law.

Make terrorism a capifal offence. End of.

Is there evidence that countries with the death penalty have less incidences of terrorism?

Like I would ever have voted for that tosspot anyway.

Capital punishment isn’t a deterrent. Check the stats for murders/terrorism/mass killings in the states where capital punishment is still used. It’s the same or higher than states that don’t use it.

So a young man or woman who has mh issues and is vulnerable (or just naive as we all were) who is groomed by an older person who is likely to be in a position of authority or in a position that is not questioned should be executed because they have been manipulated ?

So you were going to vote Tory, watched this morning's interview and changed your mind?

Unless you live in his constituency, you won't be voting for him.

He is a buffoon however and voting Conservative would be lunacy.....

But the justice system is on its knees. That is really all down to the Tories. They have ruined it as a system and it will take decades to repair. If you don’t feel safe then blaming Jeremy Corbyn is absurd. One of the first duties of any Government is to protect its citizens. The number of cuts made to this system makes that impossible. The courts have been closed. Probation services privatised so that those released can call a call centre for advice. Police numbers cut. Prisons in such poor repair that the UN makes adverse comment. Violent crime has gone up, use of knives by teenage boys and drugs gangs where younger and younger children are exploited by gangsters to deliver drugs. All in the last ten years.

The release is the least of the problems. It will take a decade to fix and a lot of money.

What slartibarti said. Your OP implies that you are a resident of Uxbridge and were planning to vote for Johnson but then watched the interview this morning and decided that actually he wasn’t a nice man and you changed your mind. Whichever side you’re coming from, that’s unreasonable.

Ok, no I never had any intention of voting conservative but was inspired by the Corbyn thread last week and wanted to see if any apologists would come out. Johnson came off just as badly as Corbyn did (I'm a Labour voter but not a Corbyn supporter) if not worse.

I'm well aware I can't actually vote for Johnson unless I live in his consistency (I don't), but I find those comments a little pompous and irrelevant really. Many people will be swayed in who to vote for by the knowledge that if their vote is replicated across the country then the leader of that party will become PM. Yes, it's illogical but our entire system isn't exactly based on logic, or fairness. I know several moderate Conservatives who are horrified by the direction that Johnson has taken the party in. They don't live in Uxbridge but they see voting Tory where they live as partly an endorsement of Johnson's leadership and that's not a message they want to send, so they're considering their options.

Someone up thread said he was given a harder time than a previous interviewee. AND SO HE SHOULD BE...HE IS AFTER ALL THE PRIME MINISTER!

Absolutely he should be given a tougher line in questioning.

That said...I didn’t watch it as Johnson (and a Corbyn to be honest) make me want to throw stuff at the TV.

And yes...sick of the fact they are both politicising a terror attack but to be fair Johnson did so first and a Corbyn just responded to that.

Anyone voting a conservative is voting for Johnson in the same way Labour voters are pitching for Corbyn. Johnson is an arrogant, misogynistic wanker who has no idea even if how many children he has. What a tosser of the highest rider he really is. I’d vote for Corbyn any day over that wankpuffin,...and I don’t much like Corbyn.

I haven't seen the interview or do I need to as he has made his feelings clear about what he thinks of Muslims. So he really didn't need to point out the obvious did he? It would have been better just to be a human being and focus on the victims and not be so blatant.

@Singlenotsingle that is not factually correct. He was convicted and given an indeterminate public protection sentence (IPP), but that system was subsequently scrapped under the CONSERVATIVES the same year. Then afterwards his sentence was changed to a ‘regular’ one and he came under the halfway release law.

Tactical voting to get rid of Tories.
Hopefully Labour also has to give upon JC and we can have someone sensible as PM 🤦‍♀️

Yes, because Corbyn saying he doesn’t necessarily think terrorists should be made to finish Their prison sentences is a better option.....