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to give up visiting PILs ever again?

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ginghamstarfish · 29/11/2019 12:41

Sorry this is long!

FIL had an injury which means he could not drive for a while, and as it's 4 hour round trip, DH has been taking a lot of time off to stay there, do the gardening and other chores, drive them around etc as MIL has not driven for a few years and now refuses to. He always offers to take her for driving practice but she won't. They have even been known to ask him to drive the 2 hours each way just to pick them up and drive them 30 minutes to a routine hospital appointment, check up, optician appointment etc. They are very wealthy, and when relatives visit them, they have no problem ordering taxis to pick them up at the airport 45 miles away. Funny though that they can't use taxis themselves, not even for the 1 mile to town, relying on neighbours instead. As they know, their request to DH is taken as a command and will NEVER be refused. I gave them details of their local hospital transport service (the type I use myself as I am disabled and DH has limited holiday allowance), but that was ignored.

In addition he or we have always visited at least once a month, Skyping and calling once or twice a week.

DH has a sister who lives abroad and visits once a year, paid for by PILs. Last week she came to visit, FIL paying as usual. Her new partner also came, (no doubt also paid for), and FIL wanted us to be there too and go out for dinner together. We had stayed there one night and were due to stay a second night. PILs asked us to leave and find a hotel as SIL and partner would be needing the guest room. When we visited the house next day, SIL and partner were in t shirts and the house was even warmer than usual. I appreciate they live in a hot country but FFS, have some common sense! I was wearing light clothes as PILS house is always very hot, and I can't stand being too hot, as they well know. Went to bathroom, cold water on face etc to cool me. Back to sitting room and the gas fire was now blasting away too. I expressed surprise and MIL said 'they were cold' meaning SIL/partner. I sat fanning myself, pouring with sweat. Even DH was sweating and uncomfortable. PILs looked at me as if I was from another planet. After a few minutes I said I'd have to go outside to cool down as I could not bear the heat. I went out to thunderous silence, and sat in the car reading a book. I stayed there about 20 minutes until DH came out to inform me that they had now turned the gas fire off again as SIL was now 'warm enough' Hmm, still in t shirt btw.

So, if you have read that, thanks, and my question is - am I wasting my time by going there ever again? It's been 20 years, and I have tried to be a dutiful and considerate DIL. Is it time to give up the pretence? I don't get it, that after 20 years I merit no consideration, and am made to feel like a weirdo who makes things awkward. Do they want me to sit there and pass out? God forbid they have to put on a jumper and compromise on heating levels for an hour or two (as we do when they visit us ). I feel for DH who does most of the routine visiting and helping out, but that is seen as expected, but when SIL goes once a year, it's like royalty is visiting.

I am mightily pissed off as it's so unfair to DH really, and then when I go too it's as if I'm some random person they don't know . I feel like never bothering again, but rather let them all get on with it, DH too and more fool him.

I also don't understand why it is seen as incomprehensible if a person is too hot, but perfectly normal and to be sympathised with if too cold? Easier to put another layer on, but there's a limit to what you take off and remain decent.

OP posts:
pippistrelle · 29/11/2019 13:00

I feel like never bothering again, but rather let them all get on with it, DH too and more fool him.

Seems like a reasonable approach. It seems like there's no love lost on either side.

ginghamstarfish · 29/11/2019 13:03

It's true, but we have all played along with it for DH really I suppose. It's just so annoying to see him doing the vast majority of running around after them but getting no thanks.

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pippistrelle · 29/11/2019 13:05

Well, that's his choice. You can make your own though, and save yourself the irritation of witnessing it.

Chattybum · 29/11/2019 13:08

I think you are over reacting to be honest. It's a very minor transgression about the heating being on when you were warm enough already. Is it really worth making such a fuss? No one died, no one was harmed, no permanent harm done? And yet you have such a disproportionate reaction. Never visiting again? You need to calm down.

ginghamstarfish · 29/11/2019 13:12

The thing with the heating is EVERY TIME I am there, winter or summer, SIL there or not. We all know - PILs feel the cold, I feel the heat. Why does one of these outrank the other? Why not compromise? It's what I do when they come to my home, what I consider is the normal and considerate thing to do. This was just a bit more extreme than usual.

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Rock4please · 29/11/2019 13:14

I actually think that you were quite rude to storm out of the house and sit in the car reading a book. You sound very resentful of DH's relationship with his family.

ginghamstarfish · 29/11/2019 13:15

Rude? So shall I sit there and pass out? Would that be more polite?

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ginghamstarfish · 29/11/2019 13:18

Not resentful of DH's relationship, it's more that I feel sorry for him because they manipulate him when they have other options available.

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Haffdonga · 29/11/2019 13:19

Of all the should I go NC with my PILs threads on here yours seems frankly the most ridiculous,

Your reason for cutting contact is the heating was too high. Really? Are you serious? I appreciate there's a lot more to the story of course but sulking in the car because they had the heating on high for the visitors from a hot country sounds childish, attention seeking and incredibly hostile to the other guests.

I'm sure they'd be relieved if you chose not to visit again.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 29/11/2019 13:20

It sounds as if you PILs expect a lot of your DH. The question is, does he resent it as much as you do?

recklessruby · 29/11/2019 13:27

You have my sympathy. Being too hot is actually horrible and you re right, they could put on a jumper but you cant sit there in bra and knickers! I would have to leave or pass out too.
And if they are wealthy they can manage the odd taxi to appointments. I know you cant stop DH driving them but it seems mad for him to do a 4 hour round trip when a local taxi would be so much easier. Particularly if it s eating into his leave at work.
I wouldn't blame you if you stayed at home in comfort and left them to get on with it.

5foot5 · 29/11/2019 13:34

I think you are focussing on he wrong thing. The heating hoo-has is a minor consideration IMO. I would be more annoyed that your DH is having to use up so much of his annual leave to do things for them that they could easily do for themselves. And yes I do think it is the OP's business what her DH does with his leave if it means he has less time to spend at home / with her / doing things that they want or need to do together as a couple.

messolini9 · 29/11/2019 13:36

Your reason for cutting contact is the heating was too high. Really?

No. Her reason is that her husband is expected to make a 4 hour round trip to drive his parents to appointments e.g. 1 mile or 30 minutes away.
On top of that, there is no gratitude to DH, & OP is made to feel like an oddity when she visits.
HTH

aSofaNearYou · 29/11/2019 13:38

In my experience, people who like to have the heating on seem to be very rigid about it, I'm always hot at other people's houses. I wouldn't fall out with them over this but asking you to get a hotel is quite rude and I wouldn't be keen on visiting often.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/11/2019 13:47

...they could put on a jumper but you cant sit there in bra and knickers!

Says who? 😆

If you're looking for an excuse to stop going to your iLs, I suppose the house being too hot is as good as any. Personally, I'd bring a pair of shorts/capris and a sleeveless top to change into and step outside if I needed to. Or open a window and sit in front of it. But it seems to me that your real point of contention is that they cater to their DD rather than to their DiL. And that they take advantage of your DH's good nature.

As far as your DH running hither and thither for them, that's his choice. As long as no one is expecting me to do the same and as long as DH didn't expect us to rearrange our schedules or cancel plans, I'd figure it was no skin off my nose.

And I think it's a little bit normal to cater to one's guests, especially a child who lives halfway across the world.

Havaina · 29/11/2019 13:50

YANBU. Do you have DC? Is DH's running around after PIL impacting the family? If yes, time to have a serious chat with DH.

At the very least, I would stop visiting and let them get on with it.

Havaina · 29/11/2019 13:51

And I think it's a little bit normal to cater to one's guests, especially a child who lives halfway across the world.

But the issue is they never cater to OP, yet she caters for them. Very unfair.

Ponoka7 · 29/11/2019 14:04

Of course they are going to be overly welcoming of their Daughter, who they only see once a year. It can seem unfair, but that's how it goes. It's no one's business that they pay for her to come over.

I've been seriously ill and upto that point never understood the issue with being cold and not just putting another layer on. It was actually painful to breathe in colder air. Which is how I imagine it feels for older people. Being cold, for them, is completely different. Which is why we give heating allowances etc.

You resent them because they take up your DH's time, but it's his choice. He is letting you down, not them.

It's going to cause issues if you never visit again and tbh, it's childish. It isn't comfortable to have to try to communicate with someone whose had a stroke, or is partially deaf etc. See the need for heat as a medical issue.

Dustarr73 · 29/11/2019 14:09

The thing with the heating is EVERY TIME I am there, winter or summer, SIL there or not. We all know - PILs feel the cold, I feel the heat. Why does one of these outrank the other? Why not compromise? It's what I do when they come to my home, what I consider is the normal and considerate thing to do. This was just a bit more extreme than usual.

Of course they outrank you,its their house.They can have it as hot or as cold as they like.

Tighnabruaich · 29/11/2019 14:18

Why did they chuck you out and tell you to get a hotel so that SIL could have the guest room - why couldn't SIL get a hotel? How did your husband react to being told to leave and go to a hotel?

To me, that is more outrageous than the heating thing, though I do appreciate that it's sometimes the smallest straw that breaks the came's back, if this has been building for 20 years.

if I had been to told to get out and go to a hotel I wouldn't have come back but gone straight home.

Leeds2 · 29/11/2019 14:27

I think you are overreacting a bit to the temperature. If you know their house is always hot, surely dress in layers yourself and take off as many as necessary!
If I was asked to move out into a hotel so that SIL and DP could have the bedroom I was using, I think I would've gone straight home. That is really rude.
I would also be annoyed at DH being asked to drive so far to do tasks that PIL could do by themselves. But I think he has to take the lead in saying that no, it isn't convenient and they should get a taxi. If he won't, then I think you/he are stuck with it.

picklemepopcorn · 29/11/2019 15:03

I think you need to be more demanding. You and DH have put yourself rather low in the pack- you are organising your interactions around them.

Sadly, some people can't see past your obliging nature, and just take advantage. You ne3d to assert yourselves again.

Visit, but on the dates you can manage. Stay, but for the time which is convenient to you. If you are too hot, ask them to open a window and ask for ice in your drink.

It will feel very uncomfortable because it's the opposite of being respectful to older people, however you clearly need to do it.

Mlou32 · 29/11/2019 15:08

Was it not a bit much to make a big show about it, sitting fanning yourself and leaving the house to go and sit in the car?

Other than that, I'd suggest to hubby that he makes himself unavailable for the odd appointment, give them a chance to become a bit more independent. It'd be a different story if they had absolutely no other way to get to appointments but it sounds like they do.

Krisskrosskiss · 29/11/2019 15:16

I understand op. They've put the needs of someone who doesnt really help them out that much, far above the needs of you, someone who us expected to bend over backwards for them facilitating lifts and gardening etc
Tbh I agree that they've shown you they dont really care that much about you so I think you should scale back your help for them.
I woukdnt make a big deal or scene about it but I'd stop going round there to visit... just let your husband go if he wants to... clearly they dont really value you being there anyway why put yourself through that?

Wonkybanana · 29/11/2019 18:03

The story of the fatted calf seems to be relevant here, I can understand why they'd be falling over themselves to make the daughter feel comfortable. I suspect your issue is not the temperature per se, but that yet again you and DH come second despite doing all the running round.

Do you think your DH would ever get to the point where he'd say no? Not in a fuck off sort of way, but just being assertive? One aspect of this that would bother me is that if he's having to take so much time off to enable them in their lives, does he have enough leave left to allow you to have family holidays, or family time more generally?

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