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To think the uni have a duty of care and can't leave a sexual abuser with in a flat with girls

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orangesnapples · 28/11/2019 06:46

My daughter is on her last year of university and moved back into halls as the last place she was in had some drunk people living next door who would break into the house ( 4 girls one gay guy) and cause quite a bit of stress and left them all feeling unsafe.
With it being the last year, they all felt that they needed some security so as to be able to study feel safe etc and all moved into a apartment in halls together.

They have a new flat mate let's call him A
They have had a few problems such as family visits that take over the flat and communal areas for days on end so daughter ends up eating pot noddles in her room. A will get very drunk and verbally abusive, and occasionally physically threatening.
Last month A had a female visitor, ( very loud verbal sex, banging and screaming ) daughter and friends made some complaints to A dad who basically said I know he's a nightmare but he's not in our house no more so not our problem. DD and pals made complaints with the management team and several times security has been out.
DD called me yesterday in tears. A had a visitor, more loud sex screaming and banging, only this time followed by sounds of fighting, and loud bangs. Then 15 minutes later police smash the door in and drag A out. His visitor was found in the car park battered and bleeding with broken fingers and torn clothes.
Police have bee back and taken statements and one of DD pals gave them a video. Police said A will only be held for 24 hours and university say they can't kick him out of the flat. Police want DD and pals to be witnesses in court but they are all terrified of having to live with him while he knows they are giving evidence against him.
Surly tne university have a duty of care towards the girls. (2 of which are abuse survivors)
Thank you for getting this far. I'm so worried about my girl and her friends.
Is there anything they can do?

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AutumnRose1 · 28/11/2019 09:47

“ Adults don’t live in single sex housing in the real world. ”

Of course we do. If you are lucky enough to rent privately, you can choose where you go.

Are there literally no single sex halls any more? That explains a lot.

OP I’m really sorry and I hope this gets sorted ASAP but I suspect he will have more rights than the others and they will need to move.

WhatWouldChristineCagneyDo · 28/11/2019 10:00

I'd suggest your DD & her housemates speak to the police officers dealing with the case.

Some years ago I was sexually assaulted by a resident in the hostel I lived in, hostel management 'dealt' with it by telling me I had to learn to get along wih him or they were evicting me.

I called the detective who was investigating the assault & they were a the hostel within half an hour and removed him, they made it a bail condition that he had to find somewhere else to live. Tore a few strips off the hostel manager too. Don't know if this will work for you as your DD is a witness and not a victim but worth a try.

RedRec · 28/11/2019 10:04

Absolutely shocking.
Throw 'Warwick' and 'safeguarding' into the conversations and see if that shakes them out of their complacency.

Collaborate · 28/11/2019 10:05

Haven't read the whole thread but usually police release suspects on condition that they don't approach witnesses. that would mean he'd be in breach of bail if he returned to the flat.

They should check with the police what the bail conditions will be. Interfering with a witness is a serious offence and may result in him being held on remand pending trial.

Awaywiththepiskies · 28/11/2019 10:05

I would write straight to the VC. They will have to act on it and they are the ones that can pull the strings required

Sorry, but this is not good advice.

Start with the University's Welfare/Student Services and the Student Union/Guid Welfare Officer. They are the people who will get things done. A letter to the VC will be passed on to them anyway, and it'll be one of the VC's PAs who responds to you.

@scoobydoo1971's advice upthread is EXCELLENT. Use it as a plan of action

orangesnapples · 28/11/2019 10:13

Thank you so much every one. My Dd is with the student union now so will let you know what they say.
I also wrote to the Halls management this morning, asking for them to clarify how they will keep my daughter and the other flat mates safe in light if recent events.
There are MANY videos of As antics that can be used to show his unreasonable behaviour.
I'm nearly 3 hours away from her and have a toddler and a 7 year old with SEN so can't just pop o er to give her support or ensure she's safe.
Her best friend jumped on a train yesterday and will stay with her till tomorrow when she's coming home for the weekend.
It's her last year so I know she won't want to stay here too long as she's desperate to finish with good grades, and has already been feeling the stress of the last year.

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M3lon · 28/11/2019 10:26

away its terrible advice because they'll pass it onto the right people to deal with? Okaaaay...

That's the whole point of writing to the VC. Each uni has its own processes and own support structure. You can either attempt to fathom it out yourself and risk contacting the wrong people who don't do anything (because they can't or it isn't their job) or you send it to the top and it DOES automatically end up with the correct people for that specific Uni.

If it were my own Uni in question, I'd know exactly who to go to (though most of my colleagues don't) but I'd never try to second guess the processes at a different Uni.

woodchuck99 · 28/11/2019 10:44

If it is one of those halls that are all over the country it is definitely privately owned and not part of the University. I don't know if universities have a contract with these companies but if not there may be very little they can do to get him out. They're basically private landlords.

They hopefully will give her advice on what to do though. More needs to be done to highlight the fact that these halls are not part of universities and students don't have the same protection. They're basically moving in with strangers but without any of the protections a university hall of residence can provide.

woodchuck99 · 28/11/2019 10:46

That's the whole point of writing to the VC. Each uni has its own processes and own support structure. You can either attempt to fathom it out yourself and risk contacting the wrong people who don't do anything (because they can't or it isn't their job) or you send it to the top and it DOES automatically end up with the correct people for that specific Uni.

The VC will just pass it on so what is the point? Better to ask the student union who to contact as OP's DD has done.

WellThisIsShit · 28/11/2019 12:12

Oh dear, now it’s clear the halls aren’t actually ‘university halls’ as such, but the very different private tenancy accommodation, the student won’t be easily booted out, as he won’t be living there under university rules, but as a private tenant, with the normal laws any private tenant has.

I think your dd or you should call Shelter for advice.

Also find out if no longer being a student at the uni does to his private contract? It may rest on him being a student there, if he is kicked out this could end his tenancy agreement.

orangesnapples · 28/11/2019 13:21

Iv had a phone call from the halls management.
They are moving him into a new flat today.
Thank you every one x

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PineappleDanish · 28/11/2019 13:29

Great news!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/11/2019 13:33

Thank goodness for that. The others too?

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 28/11/2019 13:35

That’s fantastic news. I’m so happy for you, OP.

I’m absolutely disgusted that there are no single sex accommodates in some universities.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 28/11/2019 13:35

*accommodations

Iggleonkupsy · 28/11/2019 13:36

Great outcome. What a horrible situation. Noone should feel unsafe at home.

yetanother the others don't need to move as they are moving the man.

Booboostwo · 28/11/2019 13:42

Great news!

OrangeCinnamon · 28/11/2019 13:52

Brilliant ! So happy for them. Must be a weight off your mind too. Please remind to look into extenuating/mitigating circumstances as soon as poss dependent on the Uni there may be some kind of redemption applied for a mark that is not usual standard

Awaywiththepiskies · 28/11/2019 16:09

OP soooo pleased to read that. Let's hope the police charge him.

stucknoue · 28/11/2019 16:25

Is the halls owned by the university, if not there's nothing the university can do, it's up to the accommodation company. The big orgs should have procedures in place

Xenia · 28/11/2019 16:26

That is good news. I hope they have told his new flatmates exactly what he is like though or they may just be forcing him on to yet another group of people. He sounds awful.

SaskiaRembrandt · 29/11/2019 10:05

Yes, that is good news. I agree with Xenia though, I hope the poor souls who are having him inflicted on them are aware of how awful he is.

woodchuck99 · 29/11/2019 15:43

Is the halls owned by the university, if not there's nothing the university can do, it's up to the accommodation company. The big orgs should have procedures in place

They wouldn't be able to evict him without going to court.

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