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CurryBelly · 25/11/2019 07:30

Going back to the old secondment system?

Get rid of the degree requirements, train HCAs, pay them whilst they work. Keep the degrees for nurse prescribers and specialist nursing.

I’m a nurse and have always found that most HCAs would make better nurses that the people fresh out of uni, some of who have very little caring experience.

Going to uni, especially without the bursary is just impossible for a lot of people who would make excellent nurses. The associate program seems to be doing well but I think we’d encourage far more people into nursing if we scrapped the degree

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christmascrackertime · 02/12/2019 10:35

I would love to study nursing but am missing ONE GCSE maths qualification to apply. I have everything else. I was actually pretty ok at maths in school (some time ago) but had family problems at the time they affected my education. So, there are people out there but I really don't want to start again with maths after so many years.

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FishCanFly · 02/12/2019 11:18

Not to mention pretty much every other developed country had degree educated nurses - why on earth should we have an inferior workforce?
Really? All those nurses from abroad - do you think they have degrees? They would have had vocational training, not university level.

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CAG12 · 02/12/2019 11:38

@fishcanfly depends which country you're talking about. I work with a lot of Nurses from European Countries who have a degree. I dont think you can say 'nurses from other countries dont have degrees'

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ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 02/12/2019 11:53

I work with many nurses from Europe and elsewhere. They all have degrees.

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Campbellk · 02/12/2019 12:09

I trained in 2003 and did the diploma and got the bursary.

I have not upgraded to a degree.

I have been a nurse specialist and trained 1000s of patients learn how to dialyse themselves at home from 18- 98 years old.
I have been an enteral nurse specialist and taught people how to manage feeding tubes in the community.
These wonderful patients have throat cancers, face cancer, Parkinson's and many other issues.

I did not do a degree but I have cared for so many people and families and have been privileged to have been welcomed into their homes and had an impact on the lives.

We do far more then anyone can imagine. My colleague was off sick in hospital but was calling me making sure our patients were okay, because thats what it is like.
I ended up with shingles and felt so so guilty being off, because you know the pressure everyone else is under.

I start a new role in January as a school nurse. I have spent so long working in chronic disease that I wanted to go back to the beginning and have an impact there. Educate children and families at the start so they can make healthy decisions.

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crossandperplexed · 02/12/2019 21:58

christmascrackertime
If you really wanted to train as a nurse you could probably do a fast track gcse maths.
You really do need it because it is so important.
When I was teaching I was alarmed by the number of qualified nurses who couldn't calculate a 5%, 20% increase or decrease in a drug dose. Couldn't calculate intravenous drugs according to a patient's weight. These things are a matter of life and death.
Yes, you can use a calculator, but that basic knowledge has to be there.

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user1511042793 · 02/12/2019 22:42

No we need the degree to question and enquire. I trained the old way and knew how to copy not question. Egg white and oxygen on wounds anyone?? I’ve since gone on to get my masters and wished I’d had the opportunity the first time round. Hca often struggle if they qualify I’ve found as they were great hca not great nurses. The roles are different and both much needed. Couldn’t work without the support of hca.

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