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AIBU feeling guilty over mum

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Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 16:12

This is quite complex so bare with me. My mum, whom I love dearly, has and has always had, mental health issues. Myself and my sister brought ourselves up. Our dad died when we were in our late teens/early 20s. Mum was already having an affair with my dads 'best friend'. This is something me and my sister saw on a regular basis, walking in on them kissing, touchy feely moments etc etc. We saw this from being round children. This man moved in with us, was an alcoholic, and took over our bedroom as he worked nights and used our room to sleep in during the day. We thought this wasn't out of the ordinary as we didn't know any different! It's only as we've got older and become mums ourselves we've realised how fucked up it was. Neither my mum or dad stopped this, which I find really upsetting. He also was violent to his ex wife and we witnessed him hitting her. There was also lots of porn about the house which I find quite sickening now i think back.

So our childhood was ruined. My parents didn't have much money, we used our birthday and Christmas monies to buy our own school uniforms etc. But we didn't know any different. Our dad died and we sorted everything out. I never had time to grieve I became the homemaker. Dad died at Christmas and on Christmas Day my mum went out with her partner, who she was now free to be with. I remember having a huge panic attack as I didn't want to be left on my own but she still went out. So that's how life went. I got a good career and left home. My mum continued to live with the partner. Years passed. I had my son then became a single parent thru no fault of my own, my ex had an affair. I never got one bit of support from my mum. On my 40th my sister arranged for us all to go out for a meal, mum never came as she 'always went out with her partner on a Saturday'!

So I struggled really badly as a single mum. I didn't live in the same town as mum, but she has never looked after my son or helped in any way. At one point I was in an IVA and used food banks. However I kept my job, and I'm proud I got thru it. Then I found out mum had sold her house in one of those schemes where you sell your house, pocket the money and rent it back? She got almost £40 but we didn't find this out till years after. The house was squalor. We couldn't take our children there. She never even offered me a tenner to help me.

Anyway, fast forward to now. Her partner died 2 year ago. She has had numerous mental health admissions which me and my sister helped her with. I was driving 100 miles round trip to visit and take her places. We managed to see the extent of the squalor she was living in once her partner died, we managed to get her into sheltered housing and she seemed happier and we felt secure knowing she had a nice little flat, all paid for by the state by the way. The £40k we, or she, can't account for????

So today things have yet again come to a head. She's again started having little mental health outbursts. My sister gets the brunt of it as she lives in the same town. She is becoming a hoarder now. Today she couldn't get out her flat for bags of clothes and stuff. She rang my Sister in a panic. She went round and helped. However we both feel guilt as we can't help losing our temper somewhat with her. She does NOTHING to help herself. She has never even made us a meal or as much as a sandwich in 25 years since I left home. When she visits she demands to be waited on hand and foot, citing she doesn't know where things are, for example, to make a cup of tea.

When her partner died, my sister sorted all his money out as he had no dependants. My mum can't deal with anything like that. So he had about £6k to his name. We shared it amongst us and gave mum the lions share as she was moving into her sheltered housing so needed things like a fridge etc. She never brought a thing from her old house as it was in such a bad state of repair. You couldn't have kept a dog there it was disgusting but we never realised to what extent till she was left on her own. Today my sister snapped at mum, understandable really as she puts a lot on us, we don't get any thanks, just cocky comments snd expectations that we SHOULD do everything for her. She said today she wasn't aware of the money we got from her partner, which I forgot to say HE wanted us to have I forgot to mention that. She said I didn't deserve it and she should've had it all!!!! I've spent the last few hours mulling my life over and thinking back to everything I've mentioned. How we brought ourselves up, how struggled so bad as a single parent with no support, not just financially but emotionally too. Nothing. We help her as much as we can as she's our mum but I still feel I'm the bad person for thinking as I do.

Sorry for rambling.

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Lilacpheonix · 23/11/2019 16:51

You don't owe her anything just because she gave birth to you.

She let you down your entire life, failed as a parent and you and your sister deserved so much better.

From one child of a shit mum to another, I wish you strength and healing. If you walked away I don't think anyone would blame you.

WagtailRobin · 23/11/2019 16:51

You and your sister were dealt an unfair start in life, no child should ever have to be the parent.

Your mum clearly wasn't cut out for the role and because of her flaws/issues you and your sister suffered. I have no advice, I only wanted to say you are NOT at fault for any of what you have described.

Going forward? Don't keep allowing her to drag you back to the past, she didn't take responsibility for her children, her children don't need to take responsibility for her now!

Winterdaysarehere · 23/11/2019 16:55

Walk away op. For the sake of YOUR mental health..
And don't look back.
My dm was rubbish and I am nc.
No guilt either. I owe it to my dc to be mentally sound. Having her around isn't healthy for me.
Or my dc.

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:00

Thank you all your replies give me some clarity. However my family consists of me, mum, sister and husband, my son and my nephew. That's it! I do love her she's my mum. But she's never acted like a mum. I've always been the adult. But is that mental health? She's in the 70s now, frail, as she doesn't look after herself. I find it hard to be supportive but I am, if that makes sense? I feel selfish if I don't! Why do I feel guilty when I'm the one (and mr sister!) who have done everything?? Xx

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Majorcollywobble · 23/11/2019 17:05

You have nothing to thank her for and nothing to blame yourself for . You’ve made a success of your life without the nurture of a loving mother . I know you say she has MH issues but a lot of people manage to put their children first and still suffer with poor MH .
Just admit your mother unfortunately had a warped personality and neither you or your sister are responsible for her . It sounds as if bad as her partner was at least at the end he had a bit of decency to want to give you something from his estate . The fact she doesn’t feel you are entitled to it shows the depth of her selfishness. Do hope you feel better about this soon - remember your duty is to yourself and your children not her.

Neome · 23/11/2019 17:07

Something about your story rang a really loud bell for me and this thought popped into my head.

Perhaps you're not feeling guilty, perhaps you're frightened of what might happen if you don't do what she seems to want or need.

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:12

I think I'm scared of how I'll feel
When I eventually lose her! Stupid probably? I lost my dad, that was
hell, my partner and dad of my son left me for someone else, my paternal grandparents I never knew and my maternal grandparents died when I was young. She's still my mum, my flesh and blood no matter what she's done. But her behaviour has totally messed me up. Xx

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tensmum1964 · 23/11/2019 17:15

I think lots of people in your circumstances mistake grief with love. She is your mum but has never behaved like one to the point of putting you at risk as children. MH is no.excuse for total emotional and physical neglect. I think that possibly what you feel is grief, grief for the mum that never was. It is ok not to love a parent and in your circumstances its ok to walk away guilt free.

Summercamping · 23/11/2019 17:17

What has she brought to your life? What do you lose by cutting her off? And what dou you gain?

I'm so sorry for your shit lot in life, and glad you have carved out some happiness for yourself.

Nobody would judge if you walked away-and if they did, they haven't a clue.

Don't waste a moment's guilt on her. 🥀

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:23

Again, thank you all. I keep thinking about other little things that have happened. Me and my sister had an accident in my car and when we rang her she was on a weekend away to the seaside. It was her partner who made her see sense that she needed to come home. We weren't injured but shaken. Now I'm a parent and a single one at that I realise how much I willingly sacrifice for my son. I do it with love. I go without so he can have. It makes it harder to understand how my mum couldn't acted how she did. And why she honestly thinks we SHOULD be there for her now!!! Xx

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FAQs · 23/11/2019 17:35

You don’t owe her anything. Flesh and blood doesn’t automatically command respect or obligation. Some parents and not biologically related but are more loving than those who are.

My ‘mother’ is a nasty woman and knows I won’t be there for her so has moved closer to her sister. I used to blame myself, however the mental and physical scars remind me you can’t force someone to be a parent. She has probably taught you how not to be a parent.

Be straight with her and if needed walk away.

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:37

I have been straight with her. Ignorance/mental health means she doesn't listen. It's like talking to a brick wall. I had counselling years ago over it. X

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BreadSauceHmm · 23/11/2019 17:40

This is shocking. I'm so sorry for everything you've had to endure Flowers. One of my relatives has severe mental health issues and sounds very similar to your mum. Our fear is that she may have children one day as she keeps talking about it and I don't think we can relax until she goes through the menopause (not for another 15 years at least).

FAQs · 23/11/2019 17:41

In that case you need to decide, carry on as you are and accept it won’t change and may get worse and adapt to deal with her and walk away because it won’t change now.

FAQs · 23/11/2019 17:42

*or walk away

Winterdaysarehere · 23/11/2019 17:43

My dm is 70 soon and no health issue either side would make me contact her.

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:46

I don't feel I can exclude her but I also don't want to feel guilty for not being supportive! She rings every night, which is a new thing since she has been on her own. When she was with her partner we never hardly heard from her. She usually rings as I'm just in from work, it's all so mundane, what have you been doing?, blah blah blah then it's turned round to her!

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Lilacpheonix · 23/11/2019 17:46

Your posts really resonate with me. Unfortunately there are too many parents that should have never has children.

I can't offer much in the way of advice, but just wanted to say be proud of yourself for carving a life for yourself out of a very poor beginning. That takes some serious strength. You are amazing OP.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 23/11/2019 17:47

OP I understand how you feel.Everything is upside down and not how it should be,You must be so strong,to have lived your life now is the time to have faith in yourself.I would suggest you take a step back both you and your sister.Your mum needs some proper help from specialists.A meeting with your local social services adult unit could help you in getting her some help.I would focus on that for a while and see her as and when YOU would like to.This burden is not soley yours to carry.I know you love her and you wish things were different but they aren;t and they never will be. She is mum in name only sadly but you have a choice.You have the choices now that were so cruelly snatched away from you as a child.You hold the power here and you can be decent and organise some intervention to help you and your sister by outside agencies or you can walk away.I think you will never walk away and nor do I think that would be right for you personally but you can step back ,keep in touch on your terms and let others help you.There by knowing you are doing the right thing but by eliminating the pressure on you. I wish you well.You must be an amazing person to have achieved what you have done and remain still loving and caring and sane through it all.Take some time to think it through but now honestly its time to look after you and do what you feel is right with no regrets.

Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:47

Re reading all this is like therapy. I can't believe how selfish she's been but then if that's all you know.....?

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Shoegal0305 · 23/11/2019 17:53

Thank you. Your messages are really heartwarming. We have organised LOTS of mental health care for her. Social services, Doctors, mental health institutions etc. We have done it all. I remember driving 3 hours in all from the town where I live, to the faculty she was being held at (mental health) and to her home, I don't even think I got a thank you. I was struggling financially and she never even offered me a tenner for petrol. So that's all in place. Like I say she's in sheltered housing, which WE sorted, WE moved her. I don't even think she packed one bag! Me snd my sister did everything. The old house was so bad, mould, leaks, filth, it was disgusting. And now she has a lovely flat which she seems to be letting go the same way. Xx

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