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What would you do?

19 replies

Evita10 · 23/11/2019 15:09

An old friend with whom I am no longer in touch decided to move out of the country leaving her three children here (2 girls and a boy) with their DF from whom she is separated. She moved away about 4 years ago.
Their DF is not a very nice individual and I am told is verbally abusive to his DC. There is always fights in the home. I was once close to the DC, they would come over to spend weekends with me but I had not seen the DC in a few years as they have grown older (Now 22 and 17) and tried to move on with their lives.
Recently the two girls have arrived at my doorstep separately.

The first was to arrive was the 17 year old who explained that there were too many arguments and fights at home she felt unsafe to live there anymore. I was concerned for her wellbeing and took her in, despite not having much room or capacity ( I have two DC of my own). I spoke to social services but they seemed unwilling to help asking instead if I could accommodate her. Social Services seemed almost deaf to the fact that this was causing stress on me and my family. I am a full time working single mother, the girl had some challenging behaviour and it wasn’t easy having her around. After 2 weeks she decided out of her own free will that she wanted to move back to the family home and convinced me that she felt safe. I spoke to her DF and he indicated to me that he loved his DD and wanted her back home. I informed Social services that she had moved back and they have been in communication with her.
About a month after the 17 year old moved back home. Her 22 year old older sister arrived at my door escorted by the police. I was asleep at the time but my DS let her in. She informed me that they had been arguments at home and her DF locked her out of the house, hence why she called the police but her DF would not let her back indoors even after the police arrived. The police advised her to contact the council and inform them she is homeless. She has a part time job at the moment and cannot afford to rent privately. She has been with me now for two weeks and has been allocated an appointment with the council for homelessness in two weeks time. I did write to and speak to the council informing them I needed her to move out immediately, I understand they have a shortage of housing but at the same time I am left in an impossible and inconvenient position of having to look after her. It is costly and disruptive to my home. We are a very quiet and close family and this situation is strange to me and my DC.
Out of concern and worry I accommodated / am accommodating them at additional cost to me. Admittedly the older sister is much better behaved and makes an ok house guest albeit still causing me additional work / cost from cooking, cleaning, additional bills etc.
I spoke to her DF who mentioned he doesn’t want her back home. I have not heard from their DM even though she is fully aware of the situation. I feel really angry towards the parents for bringing children into this world and think that it’s ok to shrug off their responsibilities. I do not want to be the one that picks up the pieces and would prefer not to be involved but feel like I have been left with no choice and I am being drugged into something I don’t want to be a part of. Their DM ended our friendship years ago without any explanation, she just cut off communication with me.
Neither parent has offered to assist financially or otherwise. Am I being unreasonable by not wanting to be involved? What would you do if you were in my position? Help please I feel completely frustrated!

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Evita10 · 23/11/2019 15:11

What would you do?

An old friend with whom I am no longer in touch decided to move out of the country leaving her three children here (2 girls and a boy) with their DF from whom she is separated. She moved away about 4 years ago.
Their DF is not a very nice individual and I am told is verbally abusive to his DC. There is always fights in the home. I was once close to the DC, they would come over to spend weekends with me but I had not seen the DC in a few years as they have grown older (Now 22 and 17) and tried to move on with their lives.
Recently the two girls have arrived at my doorstep separately.
The first was to arrive was the 17 year old who explained that there were too many arguments and fights at home she felt unsafe to live there anymore. I was concerned for her wellbeing and took her in, despite not having much room or capacity ( I have two DC of my own). I spoke to social services but they seemed unwilling to help asking instead if I could accommodate her. Social Services seemed almost deaf to the fact that this was causing stress on me and my family. I am a full time working single mother, the girl had some challenging behaviour and it wasn’t easy having her around. After 2 weeks she decided out of her own free will that she wanted to move back to the family home and convinced me that she felt safe. I spoke to her DF and he indicated to me that he loved his DD and wanted her back home. I informed Social services that she had moved back and they have been in communication with her.
About a month after the 17 year old moved back home. Her 22 year old older sister arrived at my door escorted by the police. I was asleep at the time but my DS let her in. She informed me that they had been arguments at home and her DF locked her out of the house, hence why she called the police but her DF would not let her back indoors even after the police arrived. The police advised her to contact the council and inform them she is homeless. She has a part time job at the moment and cannot afford to rent privately. She has been with me now for two weeks and has been allocated an appointment with the council for homelessness in two weeks time. I did write to and speak to the council informing them I needed her to move out immediately, I understand they have a shortage of housing but at the same time I am left in an impossible and inconvenient position of having to look after her. It is costly and disruptive to my home. We are a very quiet and close family and this situation is strange to me and my DC.
Out of concern and worry I accommodated / am accommodating them at additional cost to me. Admittedly the older sister is much better behaved and makes an ok house guest albeit still causing me additional work / cost from cooking, cleaning, additional bills etc.
I spoke to her DF who mentioned he doesn’t want her back home. I have not heard from their DM even though she is fully aware of the situation. I feel really angry towards the parents for bringing children into this world and think that it’s ok to shrug off their responsibilities. I do not want to be the one that picks up the pieces and would prefer not to be involved but feel like I have been left with no choice and I am being drugged into something I don’t want to be a part of. Their DM ended our friendship years ago without any explanation, she just cut off communication with me.
Neither parent has offered to assist financially or otherwise. Am I being unreasonable by not wanting to be involved? What would you do if you were in my position? Help please I feel completely frustrated!

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spacepyramid · 23/11/2019 15:13

I think you have done a good thing letting her stay with you, can you contact your friend at all?
I think the only thing you can do is accommodate the eldest one until she can get a council house/social housing and then perhaps her sister can move in with her. I doubt social services will be interested in a 17 year old.

Evita10 · 23/11/2019 15:16

spacepyramid

No I haven’t contacted the mum. I’m being a bit stubborn I suppose as I feel she should have been in touch.
Thank you for the advise, this sounds very reasonable

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arethereanyleftatall · 23/11/2019 15:16

I'm not sure if it's different now but when I was 22 and not earning much, I was just a lodger in someone's house, so just one room. I think that was the norm in the 90s, I'm not sure if it's the done thing now. There's not many 22 year olds who could afford to rent a while flat on their own surely?

arethereanyleftatall · 23/11/2019 15:17

*whole

Evita10 · 23/11/2019 15:18

arethereanyleftatall

It’s very much the same now. In fact the only housing support she would receive would be for a rented room as a lodger.

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Aquamarine1029 · 23/11/2019 15:22

This is a 22 year old woman we're talking about, not a child. If you need her to leave, have her leave. She will have to find her own way. You are not responsible for these people.

Pilipilihoho · 23/11/2019 15:27

I wouldn't blame you at all for backing right of but have a good think first about how that might make you feel after. If you are the kind of person who does things for others because of who you are, not because you feel guilted or steamroller Ed into it, it could make you struggle a bit.

I would let the council know that you are unable to house either of them: at best, at their age, it's likely to be a B and B if they can't find a house in a shared room, BUT that's not your concern if you are doing this because you feel guilty, obliged or that someone should. Your first duty is to your own children and their lives, and if these young people are disrupting that, through their behaviour or just the drama of it, then that will be impacting on your children's lives and feelings.

You have already gone over and above already, especially given the wider circumstances Flowers

DisplayPurposesOnly · 23/11/2019 15:29

The 22 year old is an adult. Is she working?

I'd be helping her to find lodgings and being a supportive adult (since clearly her parents are not) assisting her to find her own way in the world. I wouldn't be taking her in indefinitely, especially since you don't actually have room. I'd put a time limit on it. (Say two weeks.)

And whilst she's with you, she should help out with chores. If she's earning she should contribute at the very least to food bills.

If she's not working, I'd expect her to be put serious effort into finding work.

Why would you contact her mother? Can't she do that herself?

arethereanyleftatall · 23/11/2019 15:32

Is there a reason she's only working part time?

spacepyramid · 23/11/2019 15:35

I assume it's all to do with zero hour contracts and generally less secure employment.

Evita10 · 23/11/2019 15:45

Pilipilihoho - It’s not out of guilt. I feel obliged to help because I wouldn’t want them to come to any harm.

She is actively looking for full time employment and has taken the part time position for now. She has no savings and therefore can’t rent privately. I have been talking to her and encouraging her to be independent. I’m being as supportive as I possibly can I agree she needs to grow up to be a responsible adult. She is focused though so I have no doubt she will get there eventually. I just wish she had the support network at home rather than having to go out to look for it.

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Aquamarine1029 · 23/11/2019 15:54

What harm would a 22 year old come to? She can ask a friend of she can stay at theirs. It's time to put your own children first. Having her in your home just be putting quite a strain on them.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 23/11/2019 16:00

Sorry, I didn't read the bit about her working part-time. Good to see she's looking for full-time etc.

So, has she established what benefits she can have in the meantime? Has she spoken to either of her parents - could they provide money towards a rental deposit?

Is she the sort of person that would suit one of those schemes where a younger person moves in with an elderly person - reduced rent in exchange for some light assistance/company?

Rainwilds · 23/11/2019 16:03

Find a roommate.com it’s a great site xx

DisplayPurposesOnly · 23/11/2019 16:04

Like this:
homeshareuk.org/

Obviously not suitable for everyone.

cstaff · 23/11/2019 16:31

I know it's not the girls fault that they have completely irresponsible parents but that being said, it most definitely is not your fault / responsibility to take care of them.

It sounds like you are being a really good caring friend to both sisters but the onus is on their dad, him being resident in the same country, to look after them. At the very least he should be assisting financially. I think you need to talk to him and be firm with him.

Cornish2 · 23/11/2019 16:37

Even though her DF doesn't want her living with him, surely he still has her best interest at heart, could he not be persuaded to pay/loan her a deposit even for a room and perhaps guarantor her?
Even so it would be her place to approach him but you could suggest it as he surely hasn't just stopped loving her even though they can't see eye to eye and live together or her DM perhaps?
I've seen so many young homeless girls in the town, it's a hard situation to get out of once there but easily prevented if she can have her DF support, I understand not all parents could live with an adult child but they are still family.

Evita10 · 23/11/2019 17:10

Thank you everyone for the helpful responses and recommendation of sites etc. We will have a look at them this weekend.

I asked her to approach her DM for financial support and none was forthcoming from her. Her DF does not work and relies on benefits, that being said he should still trying his best to assist her with finding a place to stay if he no longer wants to accommodate her. I will speak to him about it.

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