Who should pay?

[PookieDo]

Group of teenagers (under 18) decide to go to a gig. Gig is age appropriate

Teens A B C and D have part time jobs and transfer money to A for their tickets, then A pays. their own money, not from parents.

Teen E wants to join in, but doesn’t have the money upfront. A pays for it and E says they have a new job and will pay A back when gets paid. E has not paid A back yet

Teens then collectively decide to go to another upcoming event and teen C’s mum agrees to collect the money from them all and book it. Teen E’s parent decides they would like to pay for E for a Christmas present then becomes aware that E has not paid for the other ticket yet, and discloses that E does not have a job yet so can’t pay for event 1.

C’s mum is in a dilemma over whether to accept the money for E for event 2 knowing event 1 has not been paid for by E back to A.

A’s mum feels awkward knowing E has not paid their child back and that C is in a dilemma.

E’s mum is not offering to pay for both events.

What should A, C and E parents do? Or should the teens just sort this out between them?

E's ticket should be sold, his parents should have paid for that or given A money towards it. They are all CF.

Given E's attitude and that A paid up already, i think it would add fuel to the fire if his parents buy a ticket off C. It sounds like all his friends are pissed off at him already so chances are he won't be welcome at either gig. I can see CF E parents then trying to get money back off C. C won't have to return but it's hassle isnt it?

Debt has to be cleared first otherwise it's immoral. I would ask that debt be paid by x date. If it passes without payment then sell that ticket on. In future do not book anything without the cash in your hand, from them.

Es parents are arseholes. They should be giving the money for the first concert. I definitely would not accept the money if I was Cs mum.

E’s mum is a cow and the apple appears not to have fallen far from the mum.

I’d sell both tickets.

This will be a very valuable lesson for A. Cash up front before you buy.

In his shoes I'd give E a deadline to pay back by then sell the ticket. Many places will buy them back. I agree that the lie is as much of an issue.

Mum C can buy the ticket if mum E pays up first.

All this might be due to very different financial situations.

E's parent should definitely pay A back first before any further plans are made. If E's parents can only afford half the ticket now, they should at least pay the £45 they were prepared to pay C to A. C should "remind" E's parent that A still needs to be paid, and that they (C) would feel bad accepting payment for 2nd event, while knowing that A is out of pocket for £80!
If you can't afford it, you don't go, simple.

It sucks for everyone being stuck in the middle but both events should be treated separately.

A needs to give E a deadline to either pay up or their ticket to event 1 gets sold on and they dont get to come and in future they know not to sub E.

C's DM should book the tickets for event 2 for those who have paid up front. If E pays for this ticket then they should be allowed to go to this event (especially as this ticket is half the price of the other and Es DM may not be able to afford to cover the other ticket out of pocket without notice)

Having said that I'm surprised at E being so hard faced as to be arranging a second event with the same people they still owe money to for another event, and for A-D to just accept it and not be telling E where to go with their CF behaviour. If one of my friendship group had screwed another friend out of £80 for an event then we would be distancing ourselves from them till they paid up and they wouldn't have been invited to a second event, especially not while the money for event 1 was still outstanding.

If I was the parent here I'd pay up for my child and have a stern talking to them, that's appalling behaviour, it's akin to stealing.

If A was my child I'd advise them to sell the ticket on.

The reason I say keep them separate is that it's better for E to pay off one ticket in full (Event2) and allow A to resell the ticket for Event1 for as close to the £80 value as possible (either by selling to someone else for face value or at a minimal loss through a resale site) than A only receiving 50% of the ticket value for Event1 if the £45 is put towards the ticket as they cant then advertise it for resale.

If the £45 is put towards the Event1 ticket then E has a claim to it and its risky to allow them to pay back the other £35 at some future unspecified date, especially once the event has passed. Even "£45 upfront and the other £35 before the event" means that if E doesnt pay the other £35 then A has minimal time to resell the ticket and so will affect the resale value (unless it's for something in high demand that is sold out)

At least if E pays for Event2 outright then they have no claim to the Event1 ticket and A can either choose to make an arrangement for repayment from E or resell the ticket to a third party, but they are in control of how much money they stand to lose and how much they are willing to sub E.

Really easy one. Parents of E pay for event 1. E can only go to event 2 if they have the cash upfront.

E is given deadline to pay, if not ticket gets sold on. From now on all tickets paid up front.

Not intended as a drip feed sorry (it probably makes it even worse but it was already complex enough to explain!)

the issue with event 1 is that was to celebrate C’s birthday as a group. IMO this is even worse of E than just a random event. It was intended as a gift and each teen paid a bit extra on top of their ticket for the birthday child.

Selling 1 ticket (a seat, not standing) may not be easy to do, or it would mean inviting someone who isn’t already part of the group and £80 is a lot! It’s not impossible to offload it, it just makes it harder than if you were selling 2 together, or if it was cheaper. A will have to sell the ticket at face value in this case.

But this is partly why C’s mum felt involved as the DC did this for C, and why C’s mum has offered to give A the money and E pay her back instead.

This is definitely on E's parents to sort - sounds like the child is not unlike his / her parents and another CF is being reared / groomed.

Ring the kids parents and ask for the money. If they say no, small claims it is!