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AIBU to think this was never a caution and if it was it was an over reaction.

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ACautionaryTale · 18/11/2019 15:06

Name changed for this as anyone who knows me will know this. I know my reaction was unreasonable however to this day, I still can't see how it was a police caution and am convinced it was a case of my friends a copper and I'll sic them on you.

Back in 2008, I allegedly received a police caution. Except the cheque I wrote (remember them?) was never cashed and nothing ever happened or was followed up.

I was shopping in Tesco in the run up to Christmas and a lady was shopping with her toddler and baby. To cut a long story short, the toddler was "entertaining" the baby and you could hear the screeches echoing across the store. When I got to the till to pay, there were plenty of people commenting on it so it wasn't just me it was annoying.

Just my luck the offenders decided to get into the queue behind me. My stuff was on the conveyer and the toddler started poking at my fruit which was level with her.

I asked the mother to get her to stop and she ignored me. So I tried asking the toddler and wafting my hands about - didn't work. At this point I said rather pointedly words to the effect of "If you don't stop her prodding my stuff I'll make sure she stops".

Queue a slanging match between the mother and me about kid expressing herself and me suggesting she learns to bring her kids up and not drag them up.

I had to go to the kiosk so by the time I got out to car park the other party were already at their car which was parked two spaces away from mine. The argument resumed. There was some offing and blinding on my part and lots of screeching from hers.

A few weeks later, my exDP got as letter from his works car scheme as the police had asked to identify the driver of the vehicle on the date. Revealed it was me and I was asked to come into the local police station. I was working in another part of the country and the only time I could go in that worked fro them was late in the evening on a Saturday. I didn't think anything of it so did not take any legal representation.

Off I trotted at around 8pm on a Saturday night (which I thought was weird). This copper sat me down and said I was being cautioned for a public order offence and starts a spiel. At this point I'm gobsmacked and doing a fish impression.

When he said it was an offence to swear around Children I actually laughed and suggested he walk up the local high street on a saturday and arrest many of the people there as most were swearing and there were children around.

Apparently I'd also threatened physical violence against a child (I had not). He said he was "quite concerned I was still worked up over this several weeks later"

I said "No, I'm worked up about the waste of police resources involved in tracking me down and all this over a verbal bitch fight at the check out"

Anyway, I accepted the caution as the easiest way of closing the whole thing, filled in the form, sent off my cheque and never heard anything else. Except the cheque was never cashed - surely if they hadn't received the money, they would have followed it up.

To this day, I do wonder if it was actually a caution or someone getting their mate to make my life difficult.

OP posts:
Rosehip10 · 18/11/2019 16:20

Maybe learn to walk away from stuff OP?

CircleofWillis · 18/11/2019 16:21

OP what did you mean by "If you don't stop her prodding my stuff I'll make sure she stops"? It sounds like a threat to a child to me. You both acted extremely badly and should both have been cautioned IMO.

PanamaPattie · 18/11/2019 16:21

Why are you asking?

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/11/2019 16:23

This would never happen in Waitrose You've not been to Waitrose in the days before Christmas Worra

They leave a gap between the till and the queue (going down the aisle) and Staff catch people who wander along the gap thinking "Empty till . Result"

Not on my watch one Staff member muttered .

(Ans people leave their baskets of shopping on the floor as they wander off . I may have kicked the fucker out the way )

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/11/2019 16:25

And did she actually say kid expressing herself . Hmm

RB68 · 18/11/2019 16:26

yes swearing in front of children is an offence and chargeable

threatening violence to anyone or implying it or where it would be reasonable to assume you implied it is an offence ie what you said about the toddler

Next time sip it and move the fruit from reach of toddler or mention to cashier and get them to deal

ProperVexed · 18/11/2019 16:26

In order to receive a police caution ( in England and Wales) one has to admit guilt. It seems you did. I have no idea what the cheque is all about...unless it was a conditional caution and you were paying for damage caused but there was no damage. Somewhere the facts of this case have got mixed up.

RB68 · 18/11/2019 16:26

zip even

DurhamDurham · 18/11/2019 16:26

I can't believe the situation escalated to that point, what were you both thinking?? I just can't imagine getting that worked up about a toddler prodding fruit. I think you deserved the caution, I think the mother behaved terribly too.

Shannith · 18/11/2019 16:31

Cancel the cheque? Halo

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 18/11/2019 16:34

Shannith

You’ve just won the thread Grin

TheDarkPassenger · 18/11/2019 16:39

Of course you got a caution, you threatened a fucking child. Christ on a goddam bike what the fuck!

rededucator · 18/11/2019 16:45

How were you going to 'make sure she stops'?

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 18/11/2019 16:49

Yes it was a caution.

What was the cheque for?

DirtyWindow · 18/11/2019 16:50

Getting a caution doesn't involve writing a cheque.

Are you sure you don't mean he read you the police caution (i.e "you don't have to say anything but it may harm your defence...")?

Passthecherrycoke · 18/11/2019 16:52

Why are people saying it was a caution when crunchymums link seems to indicate quite clearly it was a penalty notice?

ACautionaryTale · 18/11/2019 16:52

It was a long piece of white paper what I had to sign and had instructions for sending a cheque into the courts.

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BettysLeftTentacle · 18/11/2019 16:53

Also wondering how you were going to male the toddler stop if you weren’t going to touch them.

Stay classy OP.

PammieDooveOrangeJoof · 18/11/2019 16:54

If it was a caution don’t they only stay on your file for a number of years?

Ellie56 · 18/11/2019 16:57

Why are you thinking about this 11 years after the event? Hmm

Littlemeadow123 · 18/11/2019 16:59

The mother of the child should have stopped her daughter from touching your food, but it was a massive overreaction on your part. I would take "If you don't make her stop I will make sure that she does," as a threat too and would have a few choice words for you. Did you restart the argument upon leaving the supermarket or did she?

PanamaPattie · 18/11/2019 17:03

I believe cautions are a conviction and will stay on your record on PNC until you reach 100 years old. The rules for retention changed in 2006.

BrokenWing · 18/11/2019 17:06

It was 11 years ago, you'll be looking back on it with rose tinted glasses minimising your behaviour.

Hopefully you have mellowed by now and stopped threatening toddlers and shouting profanities in public.

Is there a reason, after admitting the offence, you are only now questioning it 11 years later?

Topseyt · 18/11/2019 17:07

I am curious too about why you are still querying this 11 years later. What has prompted that, or do you just enjoy talking about it?

PlatoAteMySnozcumber · 18/11/2019 17:08

You don’t pay for a caution, you don’t have to send anything off to the court. This is definitely a fixed penalty notice especially as from how you describe it, you weren’t interviewed.

In order to receive an official caution, the officer would have had to cautioned you (the other kind of caution... you don’t have to say anything etc), advised you of your right to legal advice and interviewed you on tape. He would have cautioned you at the custody desk of the police station and had you sign a form.

Your behaviour was pretty terrible and I have seen people arrested for less. However, you clearly received a fixed penalty notice which is less than a caution.