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To be completely unsurprised by Boris Johnson's support of Prince Andrew

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JasonPollack · 18/11/2019 09:13

In fact I think they are very similar men, which is probably why they get on so well.
"I’ve worked with Prince Andrew, I’ve seen the good he has been able to do for UK business overseas. I have no comment, or indeed no knowledge of this other stuff.”

To chose to defend someone who, even if he is personally innocent, which is doubtful, knowingly associated with a convicted sex offender beggers belief. The casual disregard being shown for the many victims of Epstein, vulnerable children, just dismissed as "this other stuff". The Prince is accused of sleeping with a trafficked, underage girl. To think that his record working for British business could erase that, or is even relavent to it!

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CendrillonSings · 18/11/2019 11:22

He also made those comments months ago, before the latest car-crash interview, so your question is rather misleading!

TiddlerontheRoof · 18/11/2019 11:22

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TheMidasTouch · 18/11/2019 11:30

"I’ve worked with Prince Andrew, I’ve seen the good he has been able to do for UK business overseas. I have no comment, or indeed no knowledge of this other stuff.”
Boris Johnsom is not supporting PA in any way. He is stating he has no knowledge of anything other than PA in his capacity of his UK bisiness work and therefore cannot comment.

This sounds lke a response to a question where he has been asked for his comments. He has just stated he is not in a position to comment.

SaveTheTreesPlease · 18/11/2019 11:31

YANBU OP. Disgusted at how many apologists there are for both these men’s vile behaviour.

GrumpyHoonMain · 18/11/2019 11:33

Guaranteeing his future titles probably

TheMidasTouch · 18/11/2019 11:38

"To think that his record working for British business could erase that, or is even relavent to it!"
Boris Johnson is just stating that he only knows PA in his working capacity. That is all. You are reading into it whatever supports your view of the PA situation and are being unfair to Boris Johnson.

Usernumbers1234 · 18/11/2019 11:41

Your definition of support seems rather different to mine.

Usernumbers1234 · 18/11/2019 11:42

@TiddlerontheRoof

How pray did she “expose” him!

Footballmumto3 · 18/11/2019 11:42

If my postman was arrested for murder I wouldn't go around telling people what a great postman he was!
People do do this though. Maybe not to this extreme, but they do. You’ll see things occasionally in the papers where someone has been CHARGED with murder and the neighbours still give a character reference like "well , he was a lovely guy". They don’t even think to say that "I thought he was lovely" . I mean wtf?
People are very strange. My ex treated me appallingly, domestic abuse and violence, just the worst, police involved. People that would consider themselves my friends couldn’t quite get their heads round it and found all sorts of ways to justify still using his services as a tradesman.
They were too worried that they’d miss out on a bargain kitchen, or a discount on a new roof.
So they’d say they’d chosen to use his services because they didn’t want our ‘family’ business to go under . Or they’d say well, he hadn’t done anything to them. Or they’d excuse the fact they’d line his pockets because they themselves were really skint. The amount of times I had people preempt the revelation they were in fact having their new house refurbished by the cunt that threatened to kill me by telling me their financial woes.
So basically. Money and power is everything.
People side with the one that helps them out the most.

Clavinova · 18/11/2019 11:42

He didn't refuse to comment - he was absolutely effusive in his praise for the man ("who I've worked with") and said "of course I sympathise with him".

I don't think he did say that - not in the clip I've seen - do you have a link?

Lifecraft · 18/11/2019 11:45

Disgusted at how many apologists there are for both these men’s vile behaviour.

No one on this thread has apologised for Johnson's behaviour. I think he's a cunt. This is a thread about Johnson supposed support for Andrew, that he actually hasn't given.

As for Andrew, no one knows if his behaviour vile or not. He's been accused of vile behaviour, but we don't know if he actually did it. Unfortunately some people don't know that they don't know.

Usernumbers1234 · 18/11/2019 11:46

@JasonPollack

I doubt very much if your postman was arrested for murder than the national press would ask for your comment.

Lifecraft · 18/11/2019 11:47

If my postman was arrested for murder I wouldn't go around telling people what a great postman he was!

Well it would be more sensible that going around saying what a murderer he was. Because you'd know he was a great postman, but you wouldn't know if he's a murderer. Because he'd only been arrested, not charged, tried and convicted.

Usernumbers1234 · 18/11/2019 11:47

@SaveTheTreesPlease

Disgusted that you can’t read.

crosspelican · 18/11/2019 11:47

I don't like either man, but what Boris Johnson said does not qualify as "support". That is very much a "I'm staying thoroughly out of this".

For all BJ's flaws, I can't imagine he has any tolerance for a boor like Prince Andrew.

JasonPollack · 18/11/2019 11:53

I just think if the victims were anyone other than vulnerable and voiceless young women then the reactions we are seeing would be different. If Epstein and Andrew were accused of fraud, or assault of a peer, we would not see the prime minister "sympathising" with them. Where is the sympathy for the victims?

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Trewser · 18/11/2019 11:58

"I’ve worked with Prince Andrew, I’ve seen the good he has been able to do for UK business overseas. I have no comment, or indeed no knowledge of this other stuff.”

Defending? I think your politics are showing.

Trewser · 18/11/2019 11:59

I don't see what Boris Johnson has to do with any of it! That's got to be one of the most tenuous links ever.

Cam77 · 18/11/2019 12:06

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/jan/06/boris-johnson-defends-prince-andrew-video
“He does a huge amount of good and a huge amount of hard work, so if you ask me if I have sympathy for him, of course I do”
Boris Johnson
From around 20 seconds in...

JasonPollack · 18/11/2019 12:06

"of course I sympathise with him"

Defending, yes.

You know in his capacity as London Mayor he took his mistress Jennifer Accuri to Buckingham Palace to meet Andrew. Unofficial of course.

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Lifecraft · 18/11/2019 12:07

If Epstein and Andrew were accused of fraud, or assault of a peer, we would not see the prime minister "sympathising" with them. Where is the sympathy for the victims?

As far as Andrew is concerned, as yet, we don't know if there are any victims. Because none of us know if he actually did anything? Or am I missing something?

Clavinova · 18/11/2019 12:08

Boris Johnson
From around 20 seconds in..

The clip is from January 2015!

MyGoodTimes · 18/11/2019 12:09

A cynical person might be of the opinion that Boris is being strategic and hoping he is unsuccessful in the upcoming GE. Boris doesn't know how to find a suitable deal for Brexit. He doesn't want to be responsible for a no deal brexit. Time is running out. By siding with PA people may vote against him. TBH PA's DM is Boris' boss so his hands are tied.

Trewser · 18/11/2019 12:10

I agree with Boris, sorry. He does do a lot of good for overseas business.

I don't agree with everyone being told what to think on social media though tbh. Personally I think PA is an idiot, but I like Boris and I think he's trying to be fair. If you think BJ is a baby eating fascist then of course you are going to pick over everything he says. I think trying to find a link and somehow tarnish BJ with the paedo brush is pathetic and nasty.

Lifecraft · 18/11/2019 12:11

Boris has said and done so many dreadful things that are beyond dispute, I don't understand why he's being attacked for defending Andrew when it's about the one thing he hasn't done!