To ask which party is best for the economy

[Owlsintowels]

Saw this posted on another thread.

Why do people say the Conservative party are the strongest with the economy when the basic facts and numbers make it clear this just isn't true?

You are correct and the economy will tank after Brexit. We are a country led by fools. Might as well vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party. At least they’re honest.

We can look at nearly 40 years worth of evidence, or we can repeat a line which the Conservatives, a party run by someone who was twice (or was it three times?) fired for lying, and who's lies we've seen first hand more times than I can count since the election began.

People say the Tories are best for the economy, because they did a brilliant PR number on Labour this decade.

Cameron's mantra that "Labour overspent while in government, and caused the deficit" has fed into a generation of voters who believe austerity wasn't a political choice, but a necessity because of Labour's profligacy.

The figures and facts don't matter any more - look at a recent BBC article about election spending pledges, every single comment in the first 20 were about "Labour can't ever get their figures right, what a clown show, Tories are only ones to be trusted with the economy".

Labour has a huge job to do to remind people of their better fiscal side, but they sadly don't have a Gordon Brown any more or anyone who could inspire such confidence in voters.

Simple really every single Labour government, the party of the working class, has left power with unemployment higher than when they took power. Second if you fact check their election promises their figures are wrong. If you look at the figures quoted for the renationalizing of various things the only way they can do this for anything close to what they claim is to crash the share price. Which according to the CBI would wipe £9 billion from pension funds, you know the same ones that Labour made compulsory and were tax raided by Gordon Brown.

The older voters maybe remember the 70s.
And then they notice that Corbyn's Labour is a lot more like Labour in the 70s than Labour under Tony Blair.

As it stands they are both awful but Labour is a country mile better than a tory Brexit. We might also get Brexit under Corbyn but at least there is a chance we wont be screwed.

Regardless of the past, a no deal Brexit, which we will be heading towards if they win, will harm the economy massively by the government's own forecasts. If that happens they will lose that reputation for fiscal reliability once and for all. That will be scant comfort to those who suffer as a result though.

And one of the reasons Labour always has to spend more is they always inherit public services that have been run down after years of Tory under-investment.

I don't care if voting for Labour is like a poor person going to a payday lender, I need to see a break from austerity, my community has had enough.

People are idiots? perhaps we should all vote libdem instead.

"The older voters maybe remember the 70s. "

Well, again that's a PR job by the Tories, isn't it? They like to forget about their own record of Government in the 70s so they can blame the Heath Government on Labour.

Labour would boost the economy. You read that right. How? By increasing the minimum wage way more than the Torys. Poor people would have a few hundred more in their pocket every month! And poor people spend their money. So, economy goes up. Simple.

If you own a house and you do no maintenance for ten years, then you can can claim that the house has very low maintenance costs. But the next owner needs to put right ten years of neglect, so the costs will be considerably higher. That's the position Labour are in now, they're going to have to spend to get us back on the right path, to bring the house back to a liveable standard.

The house in my analogy is so much more than the economy. It's the NHS, social care, education. It's social housing and employment rights, and so on.

Stats about the economy are a useless way of measuring a country's prosperity. All they really tell us is how well the wealthiest people are doing. They don't tell you how many people are waiting for NHS treatment, how many people are on zero hours contracts and not earning enough to get by, how many children with SEN are not receiving adequate support to be able to receive a meaningful education.

economy better under Corbyn

OK lighthearted response but I was trying to decipher this thread title and cos I'm not the brightest spark was honestly thing along the lines of soft play party?

I'll get my coat.......

What a lot of people forget is under labour last time they were in they changed tax policy that made people earning a low wage poorer.

I really feel we’ve had a period of massive underinvestment. Why are we scared of spending money that will actually stimulate the economy and many industries? Britain’s infrastructure is appalling compared to most EU countries. But the billionaires will continue to tell the plebs how to vote to keep themselves rich and the country will continue to crumble, and that’s without a Boris Brexit.