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School book bag rage

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pieceofpasta · 15/11/2019 19:57

Does anyone else really hate school book bags? I realise we're probably in the minority walking to school but it drives me mad every day having to carry every item separately (no bag other than the book bag allowed) while juggling water bottles, school shoes (because it's so wet he needs wellies) etc and a 3 year old. I'm sure if you're only walking to a car is doesn't matter but these bloody book bags don't even have a cross body strap and the velcro constantly opens spilling the paper contents into the massive puddles everywhere. Because of a lack of a proper bag lb has left his wellies at school which means on Monday he'll get wet feet on the way to school. I really think in bad weather only rucksacks are sensible. We have tried giving him a plastic bag with the other things; the bag doesn't come back (because they don't want multiple bags) and I only have a handful of plastic bags now. Why do they make walking to school so hard! (I'm mainly pissed off about the leaving the wellies at school which is mainly my husbands fault). Lol 😨

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Italiandreams · 15/11/2019 22:55

A lot of the children are bringing in huge bags and that is where the problem with space comes in. Some may bring small ones which is less of a problem but for ensuring children bring home books/ letters etc , book bags are much easier for staff to manage. ( I am talking infants here where they are less likely to have lots of other things )

CantstandmLMs · 15/11/2019 22:56

Big hater of the book bag here! Backpack all the way. Voice your concerns to the school

starfishmummy · 15/11/2019 23:07

My sons school didnt do bookbags. Each child had a plastic zip wallet for their book and it went in their normal bag.

MintyMabel · 15/11/2019 23:09

Our school has bookbags, but these are in addition to schoolbags so are totally pointless. Ours was missing for an entire year and nobody complained about it. Least of all me. DD is P6, her bag is full of things. If things get left at school overnight they invariably go missing.

MintyMabel · 15/11/2019 23:10

add letters to them, take reading books out etc. 30 backpacks can't! That's why!

Letters and reading books are given to the kids to put in their backpacks. We don’t have TAs in class. Works fine.

CruCru · 15/11/2019 23:12

I took the velcro off the book bag and put on these magnetic poppers:

www.amazon.co.uk/Silver-Magnetic-Fastener-Purses-Crafts/dp/B01BBB7036/ref=sr_1_7?crid=2NHU964MJGY7G&keywords=magnetic+poppers&sprefix=magnetic+poppers%2Caps%2C146&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1573859262&sr=8-7

That way, the bag doesn't just gape open whenever kit is being carried by the handle. To and from school, I bring a bag for life and bung the coats / book bags / violins / music bags etc in there.

lyralalala · 15/11/2019 23:40

My DS and DD's school is positively old fashioned - their backpacks go under their desk and get kicked all day the same as mine did when I was at school.

Anoisagusaris · 16/11/2019 00:54

I’ve no idea what a book bag is.

In Ireland kids bring a backpack type bag. Our school, like a lot of schools, doesnt provide lunches so they bring lunch box, water bottle, pencil case (including Twistables or similar, calculator for older kids, and books needed for homework. PE gear is worn to school.
Bags are hung on the same hook as their coat in the classroom or kept at their desks for older classes. And the kids survive. How small are British classrooms?

Anoisagusaris · 16/11/2019 00:56

All younger pupils (up to say age 10) have a zipped plastic folder for their homework.

Notes etc are given to the pupils to put into their bags and they all manage to do it.

ActualHornist · 16/11/2019 03:43

You are making this so much harder than it needs to be.

Put it all in a backpack for walking and take it out at school.

Purpleartichoke · 16/11/2019 03:59

Is carry all the gear in a proper bag, then unload at the door. Take good bag with you and bring when you return for pickup.

Countryescape · 16/11/2019 04:42

I’m not from UK. In Aus all the kids take a backpack from year 1. The book back is just a small folder that fits in the backpack.

mathanxiety · 16/11/2019 04:57

@Anoisagusaris - that is exactly my memory of bags, coats (some backpacks - my Dad bought us lovely yellow backpacks in the Netherlands one time - but in the 70s big, heavy old-fashioned leather satchels were more common), and general school arrangements in Ireland except we had to use indoor and outdoor shoes at my school, and we had cubbies lining all the walls of the corridors where we hung our coats and kept our indoor/outdoor shoebag, which also held gym shoes and shorts for PE, art smock and art kit. We could leave wet outdoor footwear on the floor of our cubbies.

We brought schoolbags into the classroom, along with lunchbox, flask or bottle of water. Bags were kept on the floor under the desk, all books and copies for the session (morning, midday or afternoon) were neatly stacked on the desk with a pencil case too.

In my primary school we ate lunch at our desks.

In secondary school we had lockers into which we stuffed coats, ingredients for Home Ec cooking (the ingredients for baked stuffed fish left quite a lingering odour), art kit, gym uniform, books not needed for homework, tampons, pads, occasional verboten items.
No coats were allowed in classrooms but bags were, and we lugged them from room to room through the day, stopping at lockers during lunch to exchange books and kits.

My DCs had lockers in elementary and high school in the US.
What does a young child need a locker for.
They kept outerwear, hats, gloves, lunch and drink, PE uniform, art kit, backpack, and a box of tissues there when they were younger.
In later grades they kept all that plus books they didn't need for morning/ afternoon session, books not needed for homework were left overnight (and occasionally so were books needed for homework), tampons, pads, umbrellas, spare filler paper, and miscellaneous other stuff in them - sunglasses, lip gloss, hairbrush, hairclips, stick of deodorant. Older DCs also kept phones in their lockers.
Not sure what difficulty a child of 4-5-6-7 would have with a locker?
The elementary school lockers didn't have locks but the HS ones did. They also had PE lockers in HS.

In PK4 and KDG the DCs had cubbies which were for coat, boots, and bag. Other children I know in different schools had l ockers in either corridors or in their classrooms.

A folder went home with oldest or only DC in each family on Thursdays, containing school news roundup and upcoming events notices, and any forms parents needed to sign. Paperwork was always due back on Fridays, also in the folder.

If a teacher needed to contact a parent urgently before Thursday then they phoned, and parents phoned teachers too. In HS teachers contacted parents by phone or email (parents were asked to indicate preference at registration).

Elbeagle · 16/11/2019 06:53

I know they are JusticeForSandra, what’s your point? I’m in England where all KS1 children get free school meals, paid for via our taxes.
I didn’t realise this thread was about who paid for meals? I was simply pointing out that my KS1 children don’t carry lunchboxes as, like all the KS1 children in their school, they get free school lunches (and take up is around 98%, I know this is I am chair of governors at the school, a voluntary position).

Elbeagle · 16/11/2019 06:57

Not sure what difficulty a child of 4-5-6-7 would have with a locker?

Well my 4 year old would be guaranteed to lose her locker key!
I think some people must be very lucky with the amount of space their school has to offer. In my child’s primary school (and all the ones I visited) they are small buildings, full to capacity due to new houses springing up left right and centre without the infrastructure to support them.
The 2 schools in my village are having to accommodate the children from a new housing developing of 2000 houses... a new school will apparently be built in 8 years time. They barely have room for the children, let alone lockers. Ours has even had to turn its library into another classroom.

NearlyGranny · 16/11/2019 07:05

Stop carrying everything for your child! As a KS1 teacher, if I could have waved a wand and changed one thing, it would have been this. My reception and KS1 colleagues work so hard to establish independence and self-reliance in the children we teach, then parents turn up to drop off and collect their children strung about like pack animals carrying everything for 2 or 3 kids while the children rush around empty handed. It does them no favours in the long run.

All it encourages is blaming the parent when something is lost or forgotten.

Bluewavescrashing · 16/11/2019 07:26

@NearlyGranny I agree wholeheartedly with you in principle (I'm also a teacher) however the bookbags seem to be really badly made. The velcro doesn't hold at all and the bookbag gapes open, goes off balance and stuff falls out. It's much safer in my big bag for life. We have a 20 min walk home and I'd rather books don't get ruined on the journey. I always make my DS carry one thing himself which he can choose and is responsible for though.

Bluewavescrashing · 16/11/2019 07:26

The lockers in ks2 font even have keys. They're just a cubby hole essentially.

TeenPlusTwenties · 16/11/2019 07:28

I agree Nearly , but when a school like the OP's doesn't allow backpacks it adds an unnecessary obstacle to this.
If a child comes out of school separate carrying

  • a bookbag
  • a waterbottle
  • a lunch box
  • a jumper
  • some artwork
which then has to go in a bag Mum has brought, rather than already being neatly packed in their own bag on their own back then many children will just pass it all over.
TooStressyTooMessy · 16/11/2019 07:32

Absolutely Nearly, but as Teen points out, book bags are a massive hindrance to this.

I’ve given up now until my child reaches year 3. Older DD had rucksacks throughout and has almost always carried hers.

WutheringTights · 16/11/2019 07:32

My kids (reception I year 2) take rucksacks for PE kits, water bottles, reading books, jumpers they never wear, projects to show their teacher, shoes when it's wet..?

Their school and the school where I'm a governor both have lockers that they can sling it all in. The lockers are actually really for fire safety. In the event of a fire it's much less likely to spread if all the flammable coats are in lockers rather than loose on pegs, falling on floor etc. It also encourages independence as they have to manage their stuff - a massive,y important skill.

mathanxiety · 17/11/2019 07:51

Elbeagle, even in my first year of secondary school in Ireland, with my whole year in prefabs because the new school building wasn't built yet, we had lockers in the classrooms. They were along the back wall of the prefab classroom.

In my DCs' elementary school (building built in 1920) the lockers had no locks. Locks are not necessary. The school had about 450 children when mine attended. In the 50s, 60s and 70s enrollment was well over 1000 and there were still lockers. The children shared, three coats to a locker. The school had mats by the lockers for snowy boots.

There were locks on the lockers in high school.

YY to fire safety - the elementary school had to replace wooden lockers with metal ones due to the fire code. Piles of coats are a disaster waiting to happen.

YY to the comment on independence too, which should be a major component of primary education.

redchocolatebutton · 17/11/2019 07:54

yanbu
those book bags are terrible for posture for the little ones.
we also walk/cycle to school and a book bag would be dangerous and flappy on a bike.

backpack all the way here.

Elbeagle · 17/11/2019 08:11

mathanxiety I’m not disputing that yours had them. I can tell you categorically, having spent a lot of time in my DC’s primary school (it was my primary school too, and I’m now chair of governors there) that there is no room for lockers. The classrooms are open plan for a start so only have three walls. These are used to store classroom equipment, display work, for the whiteboard etc.
I’m not arguing with you, it’s just a fact that they don’t have room for lockers, unfortunately 🤷🏻‍♀️

CruCru · 17/11/2019 09:56

My children’s school has lockers but they aren’t locked - so are basically cubbyholes for all their stuff.

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