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Rude seniors at work!!!

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Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 11:07

Is anyone else fed up of senior management abusing their power at work and being complete and utter arses at work just because they can get away with being rude and controlling?

Im not talking about reasonable issues, I’m talking making deals and issues about things that aren’t issues OR the issue is with them slacking and being too egotistical about it to admit fault so they have a go at everyone else...

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 15/11/2019 11:09

Do you have any examples?

Because once my boss had a complaint made about him and tried to pass the blame on me, so his boss spoke to me and we had a very interesting conversation which ended with a huge apology Grin

If you think they're abusing their power you can speak out - they're not untouchable if it's not just hearsay.

JusticeForSandra · 15/11/2019 12:27

YANBU to be fed up with people who behaved like rude arses.

YABU to make it sound it applies to all senior management, or only to senior management.

Bluntness100 · 15/11/2019 12:31

I think you'll need to expand further.

Have you had your arsed kicked for something?

Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 12:53

Don’t get me wrong I have had lovely managers in the past I wasn’t applying to everyone.

I work in quite a large, well known organisation and in this case it seems to be very common for senior staff to push boundaries.

For example.

My manager makes it very clear on who she likes and who she doesn’t like. There’s a bright young girl with Aspergers who works really hard and loves her job but it is very clear that she is targeted by her, picking and blaming issues on her.

I was off on sick recently, and the girl has been helping making my job a bit easier by collecting documents from one place (where she is based) and bringing them up to the office where our department is. which is great a lot of people do this and it’s not wrong of them to do.

When I was away the girl came up with these documents and put them on my desk and she was questioned by my manager in a very abrupt way - she flung her arms in the air in dramatics and raised her voice angrily and said “why is she getting involved she is ruining things!”

The staff who I manage has also been helping out kindly, and she was praised for it by her.

Two other members of staff who I manage are very close to each other - great workers, get their jobs done and work together well. They have the same position. For some reason my manager seems to resent this connection they have. My manager got the estate team round to put their desks facing the wall way from each other - this makes their jobs a bit more difficult to do - and left my desk to however I wanted.

When I was on sick she tried to get in to my business and she pretty much changed my systems of one of my project making a fuss over nothing - systems that were pre agreed by her (?!) and had no issues and worked perfectly. I’ve come back to a right mess and had to sort it out.

She’s constantly changing her mind on things - she will set up a project and agree on how we will carry this out - but will change her mind mid tasks - then revert back to the original idea and blame other people for the change and the mess after words.

Here, it’s not just her. It seems to be the majority on higher levels that will do similar things as though other people aren’t capable of running the place themselves.

I wasn’t allowed to send an email for almost a year.

Today, after the mess I’ve come back to, we had about three phone calls with the same conversation off the director ranting about some project that’s happening in work. This is the same woman who wasn’t invoked with the project to begin with but was asked to step in as the project hadn’t started yet (due to my manager putting it aside for months). She had a rant to me about it all - I told her she’s best speaking to my manager as she’s running it and I have little involvement. She interrupted me and said “I don’t want to speak to her about it , I want to speak to YOU about it” Confused was rude, abrupt and ended up putting the phone down on me. I reported the incident to my manager.

Later on down the line we got started with said project, the director authorised it. Tried to keep her in the loop as she was supposed to be taking over and managing it. Said she didn’t have the time and dismissed it (waving hand in the air and all that, she’s really rude).

6 weeks later she’s on the phone to the whole department shouting down the phone as to why it’s taking place after she made a fuss as to why it wasn’t!!

There’s so much more to this but is anyone in the same boat at work? It’s like you get treated like dirt because they can get away with it.

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 15/11/2019 12:59

If you're middle-management you need to pick up with your manager.

The director wants to speak to you because it's your project and you should know what's going on. Your manager needs to do a proper handover back to you.

How do you know the two girls your manager separated when you weren't there weren't taking the piss?

Have a proper conversation rather than complaining based on hearsay and set the record straight.

Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 13:06

My manager is a very difficult to talk to, she would be happy making anyone’s life hell if she was confronted or challenged (she’s very my way or the highway) as she has done with the young girl.

It’s not just how they make decisions, director would be obviously entitled to ask what’s going on, it’s the way they talk to you. It’s very intimidating, controlling, some borderline abuse leaving people in tears and stuff that should potentially be HR issues.

I just can’t tolerate bullying and the way people are made to feel anxious for issues that aren’t actually issues

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Likethebattle · 15/11/2019 13:11

ACE-arse covering e-mails. When director waved her hands saying she wasn’t interested you send an ACE. ‘Just to confirm our earlier conversation, project x is signed off and will go live on x date. Should you have any queries please let me know’ then she can go nuts but you can say ‘well you were e-mailed about it!’

GiveHerHellFromUs · 15/11/2019 13:13

100% agree with the emails. Cover your own arse and copy the director in if you need to.

But if there are parts of the project that have changed and you're not 100% on you need to get clarification on them so you know next time the directors ask.

Drop her an email and ask for an update on everything that happened while you were off.

Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 13:17

ACE emails is how I work lol. I don’t have much to do with the director it’s my manager that does. If I remember correctly, director wanted to be involved and updated and manager has been emailing to update her. Nothings changed. She just went down to see what was going on and flipped about it.

It’s very much the standard here damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I don’t get it. The rudeness and the abruptness is on another level here - I very much treat the staff I manage like they are human beings with rights, not like they are dog s**t!

It’s the smugness as well. They all know what they are doing and how they are talking to people because half of them have silly smug impressions on their faces.

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Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 13:20

Another example - if we answer the phone in our office it gets snatched out of our hands by said manager, she HAS to deal with the issue.

“Who is that that’s calling?”

“X, they want the number for Y next door I’m just getting the number for th-“

snatches phone

“Hello, blah blah speaking, can I help?”

Makes it feel like you are inferior and it’s rude as f**k.

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FinalNameChange · 15/11/2019 13:33

Sounds like the NHS?

Brefugee · 15/11/2019 13:41

everything in writing. I used to have the most unbearable boss but she was very correct with paperwork. So i used to leave my questions in written form on her desk, then i used to hide so and she'd reply in writing and initial it.

I kept 2 copies plus the original...

ACE is always right.

WestSideSnorey · 15/11/2019 13:44

Sounds like the NHS?

Funny you should say that. I was having almost this exact conversation with my DP yesterday. Made sure that she always had "Arse covering e-mails" as someone mentioned further up.

The way I see these situations is that there is always someone higher up to escalate things to (until their isn't but usually the top bosses of larger organisations actually get it) and that is what I always do. If something is unequivocally wrong, such as bullying or harming of colleagues then I'll immediately go above the person who has done it. It's not acceptable and standing by because it is either awkward or makes us worry about our own position makes us complicit.

gingerbreaddragon · 15/11/2019 13:51

Sounds like I work in the very similar team - the NHS?

Isleepinahedgefund · 15/11/2019 13:55

Plenty of those where I work. My personal view is that they get away with it because no one challenges them, and then the next generation who get promoted into those position thinks that is how you should behave and so it perpetuates.

Sunflowersok · 15/11/2019 14:53

You got it correct.

I’ve never been in such a ridiculous work situation that’s not just down to one person, it’s down to multiple.

Trying to get a job done with a sound plan - certain people refuse to do it in that way because it doesn’t suit them and everything’s messing up because people are doing it a different way Confused

I’m not well today so I think I’m taking it all on and stressing about it too much today I try and keep out of it usually.

I’ve thought about reporting but I know you need the evidence to back you up and a lot of it is too complex or too bizarre to explain. A LOT of fiddling with contracts too.

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