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Russel Howard & the Ramp joke

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LittleMissBirdy · 13/11/2019 20:54

Just seen on the news Russell Howard made a joke about the council who build a ridiculous ramp for a disabled child outside their home.

He was not making a joke about the girl or her parents he was making a joke about the ramp the council built.

FWIW it does sound ridiculous they build that for 40k.

My question is, is this an overreaction?

My personal opinion is that it is an overreaction he wasn’t saying anything funny about the girl more about the council

Your thoughts?

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Skyejuly · 14/11/2019 08:02

I did laugh Confused

CactusAndCacti · 14/11/2019 08:10

"The whole council need sacking for this excrescence and outrage of a ramp. Useless, ugly and a waste of taxpayers’ money."

Well it's not useless is it as the child can get in and out of the house. And sacking the whole council seems very extreme.

Funding for adaptations in Scotland is different to England and Wales. It may not have been funded in these regions.

Candle1000 · 14/11/2019 08:10

I think the council thought ‘right ,you want a ramp , we’ll give you a ramp!’

Babdoc · 14/11/2019 08:20

If you are going to single out a comedian for your (virtue signalling) abuse, I’d pick Jimmy Carr and his vile rape jokes, not the well meaning and inoffensive Russell Howard.
I will always treasure the latter for his anti porn/misogyny, pro women’s pleasure routine.
I suppose it was only a matter of time before the woke turned on each other for being “less woke than thou.”

Samcro · 14/11/2019 08:31

the ramp is stupid. I would be furious if we had to have something like that outside our house. havn't heard the "joke" so can't comment on that. but doesn't sound like he was being vile like Franke boil.

RunningNinja79 · 14/11/2019 09:11

A previous poster suggested that he had (or rather said that we didn't know that he hadn't) I was answering that point.

That was me. I watched Russell Howard the other night and when I saw the photo I recognised it. I hadn't thought of it again until this thread. I wasn't aware the mother was upset at RH for bringing it up.

However, I do think she is perhaps being a little over sensitive as she was the one who brought it into the public eye in the first place and as been stated numerous times on this thread RH was not making fun of the house, mother or daughter. He certainly wasn't having a laugh at disabled people (not that anyone has suggested he was). He was just highlighting how difficult access can be for disabled people and when there are changes it doesn't necessarily make it much easier and we should all be able to access anything we want and need to regardless of disability or not.

Mrsjayy · 14/11/2019 09:17

The mother is allowed to be annoyed the ramp is ridiculous it was complained about to the council and it was in the scottish news then RH takes the piss again so riling it up again the family are probably embaressed at being the butt of the joke AGAIN.

Damntheman · 14/11/2019 09:21

Yes the mum is being unreasonable, although I suspect she's been subjected to a couple of years of hearing ridicule about that ramp and is as a result oversensitive to any mention of it. Russell is a good lad (in so far as I've seen so far) and was clearly trying to raise awareness to make everywhere more accessible with his joke.

Mrsjayy · 14/11/2019 09:24

You know if RH wasn't falling over his wokeness he would have asked the peoples permission for their house and ramp to be on his programme but he took it upon himself to speak on their behalf .

recrudesence · 14/11/2019 09:35

@DGRossetti

Thank you for explaining this. It seems as though this ramp, unsightly as it is, was the only possible solution to meet this family’s needs. In which case, RH’s joke at the council’s expense is neither funny nor fair.

Owlypants · 14/11/2019 09:59

The mum was on newsnight in 2011 explaining that she gave up her bought house for a council house because the family were not eligible to have their home adapted. When the ramp was built she was in the local paper saying how happy she was with it. I think she's being a bit over sensitive

Mrsjayy · 14/11/2019 10:31

Thing is this is her home where her child lives her childs individual needs and ramp isn't up for scrutiny for Russel howards programme if RH wanted to make a valid point about access he could have found a public building or high step or whatever not somebodies house.

Mrsjayy · 14/11/2019 10:32

Without their permission*

slipperywhensparticus · 14/11/2019 10:34

It would have been cheaper for the council to move her

DGRossetti · 14/11/2019 11:05

I think the council thought ‘right ,you want a ramp , we’ll give you a ramp!’

No. They're constrained by what the design regulations require. Which is a very detailed specifications. You can't have a run of more than so many metres on a slope. There has to be a level area at the change of direction (so the wheelchair user isn't trying to tackle a gradient and a turn at the same time). The handrails are required too. Add it all up, and that is the only solution that would comply with the regulations.

Thank you for explaining this. It seems as though this ramp, unsightly as it is, was the only possible solution to meet this family’s needs. In which case, RH’s joke at the council’s expense is neither funny nor fair.

I think people are missing the fact that this was an example of the levels of thoughtlessness that the less able face every minute of their life. "Casual sexism", "casual racism" are real things, but "casual ableism" never gets a mention. Unless you are - are care for - someone with limited mobility, you will never really grasp the full picture.

Having to enquire about accessibility for any and every trip somewhere new (obviously the travel to get there is an adventure in itself, but you can only write so much in a single post). Can you imagine that ? "Oh, I'll just pop to that exhibition today." No you won't my less able friend. What you will do is spend half the day trying to research accessibility, and then hope no one fucked up ....

Being told somewhere is accessible, because ... well it's only a small step.

Trying to find the disabled toilets (having been told they exist) and discovering it's a regular toilet with a sign. Or it is a disabled toilet that double as a stock room for Christmas overflow.

Arriving at the "accessible" venue to discover the service lift is through a storeroom.

Personally, well done Russell for saying what you said, and humbug to the professionally offended. And, again, personally, what offends me is not only the continuing second class citizen treatment the less able get, but the fact that over the past 20 years - since I have been with DW - it's got worse, not better. At this rate, in five years time, it will probably be more common to see tap dancing polar bears on our high streets, than people who use wheelchairs.

Dropped blocked kerbs; gravel/shingle paths ...

Lot of frothy posts here. No mention of the wheelchair user made to stay next to the crisps trolley. Or the passengers left unassisted. Or the passenger asked to pay extra for the wheelchair. Speaks volumes, really.

On the very small plus side, some venues have added virtual tours to Google Maps, so you can see inside and checkout accessibility. Well, when I say "some", I actually mean less than 1%. Presumably the huge cost of asking someone to walk around with a phone camera for 10 minutes has been a barrier so far. But when more people have access to smartphones and the internet we might get to 5% by 2030. That and HS2.

weymouthswanderingmermaid · 14/11/2019 11:53

Looking at the reports, the council responded by saying that when the family were moved into the property, the family stated that the child was able to manage steps, which turns out to be untrue. Therefore, in other to meet building regulations, this ramp was the only access solution possible.
I've been on the other side of this, where I've worked with families who've insisted on accepting unsuitable properties that they assume can be adapted (with support from housing officers who seem to have very little understanding of what is and isn't possible re adaptations) They move, then are appalled when they are told that no, a ramp / accessible bathroom etc can't be put in place.
I'm not saying that in this situation the council are right and the family wrong, just emphasising that there are significant restrictions on what can and cannot be done in certain properties. I'd love every one who needs it to be offered a suitable fully accessible property but that's a pipe dream Sad

Beveren · 14/11/2019 15:30

the family are probably embaressed at being the butt of the joke AGAIN

But they aren't the butt of any joke, and no-one could sensibly believe that they are.

Beveren · 14/11/2019 15:32

It seems as though this ramp, unsightly as it is, was the only possible solution to meet this family’s needs

It can't be the only solution. They could be housed somewhere with better access, for instance.

Fakeflowersaremynewnormal · 14/11/2019 15:36

It's 2019 and we are planning to build a bridge to N.Ireland surely someone can design a better ramp than that!

DGRossetti · 14/11/2019 15:50

It can't be the only solution. They could be housed somewhere with better access, for instance

Well, you'd think.

Except local authorities are hardly drowning in social housing as it is. Let alone specialist properties needed by the unreasonably less able. And even if there were to be a suitable property, it might be completely unsuitable for schools, or access to specialist medical facilities that might be required. (Although the latter problem is easily solved by closing down such facilities, and removing that excuse).

We already know that wheelchair users can't rely on buses.

All the people making sensible suggestions here are really doing is proving Russell Howards point. The level of attention given to the less abled in the UK is so pisspoor as to be a national shame. Not the only issue by they way. But for the purposes of this thread one will do.

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