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AIBU not to send photos of my baby to my parents

26 replies

Ameliel · 12/11/2019 13:04

I kind of know I am BU.. it's more of WWYD?
Long back story but I try to keep it brief without dripfeeding..

I am in my 40's and pregnant with my no.4, a surprise baby but very much wanted. I live in the UK with my British DH, but I'm originally from another European country, and my own family still lives there - about 3h flight away. I am incredibly lucky to have been happily married to my DH for 18 years, but my family has never really approved for us settling here, and not in my home country.

My birth family has had a lot of issues over my whole life, from alcoholism to violence, fundamental religious beliefs, and the relationship between my parents was always very volatile. They divorced when I was in my 30's, very acrimoniously, and didn't talk to each other for 10 years. Recently however they have been getting on a bit better. My mum and dad are now in their 70's, still physically in good health. Their behaviour over the years has been very immature and there have been so many family feuds and problems as result.

I moved out when I was 16 and have struggled to overcome my past over for my whole adult life. I am currently maintainng a low contact with my parents. I care about them a lot and do not want to cut them off altogether, but their behaviour still hurts me regularly.

Both my mum and Dad are happy to hear from me when I call or when we go to visit (we rarely visit these days as it is expensive for big family like us, and there is always drama), but they make hardly any effort to keep in contact with us. They habitually ignore all my childrens birthdays ( and mine and DH's too but that doesn't matter so much) hardly ever call me ( maybe once per month if I don't call) and they are very reluctant to visit us. This has been ongoing for years. In my dad's case, it's just plain "can't be arsed". He last visited 2 years ago. My mum usually blames money worries, religious beliefs (in case of birthdays) or her fear of flying. She last came 18 months ago ( I paid for her flights as usual, I have no problem with that as it's cheaper than us going over there).

They both seem to think that I can only blame myself for getting ignored, for choosing to live in another country, and the language barrier ( My children unfortunately haven't picked up my mother tongue as our home language is english , and we have such little contact with my family).

My children are their only grandchildren and this is definately going to be the last baby I have.
Our baby will be delivered by a section next week (!) and I have told my parents this, but not the exact date. I am nervous about the recovery and was really hoping my mum would come over.

Unfortunately, both my parents have declined the invitation to visit us when the baby is born. I offered to pay for my mum's flights, but she is still refusing to come over. (For the context, she was happily telling me the other week that she had bought some new gardening equipment, worth about £400, and then in practically same sentence said her passport is out of date and she cannot afford to renew it (£50) in order to come and visit).

My dad just says " oh your mum will probably come over, I don't think I will this time". He is financially comfortable and has absolutely no reason why he could not travel...we would pick him from the airport.

Both of them are expecting us to tell them as soon as the baby is here and to send lots of photos etc.. But I feel so hurt with their attitude that I don't want to tell them about the birth until sometime later, and feel reluctant to send them any photos. If I send photos they will feel even less need to visit... AIBU?

I know it is petty and it certainly don't do any good, but I feel so abandoned, it's like they do not care about us at all...WWYD? I find it very difficult to actually talk to them about my feelings, as there is already so much hurt on the background from years before and they will find a way to blame me rather than acknoledging their behaviour.

I know they aren't ever going to change, I will just have to come to terms with their behaviour. I don't need their attention or affection as I have my own lovely family here, but at the moment I acually feel like I'd like to hurt them like they are hurting me. I realise i'm probably being very hormonal and making this into a bigger deal than it is, but just trying to gain some perspective...If you have / had children / grandchildren in another country, how important would it be for you to visit them?

OP posts:
peardrops1 · 12/11/2019 13:09

I can see why you feel so hurt - that's really tough. I think on the pictures that you should do whatever you need to do to protect your own feelings. How will sending the pictures make you feel? Will it open you up to more feelings of rejection, or will it make little difference? If it's the second, then it might be worth gritting your teeth and keeping the channels of communication open for the time being. I'm sorry they're not more involved. It must be really hard. But congratulations your imminent new arrival!

Winterdaysarehere · 12/11/2019 13:14

Send a baby pic from a magazine to save arguments you don't deserve post delivery...
You owe them nothing imo.
I wouldn't want them gaining any pleasure from seeing my actual newborn.

LannisterLion1 · 12/11/2019 13:29

Play it by ear. Wait and see how you feel after. You might want to wait for them to contact you instead or just send one.

TheMidasTouch · 12/11/2019 13:29

"If you have / had children / grandchildren in another country, how important would it be for you to visit them?"
Turn this around. How important do you feel it is to visit them?

You leave your home country and settle elsewhere and expect them, in their 70s, to be doing the bulk of the travelling so that you see each other.

Your DM might be thinking that you don't care about her fear of flying and getting older. You just want them to visit in spite of these things and you just want to save money by them putting in all the effort and you putting in none.

TheMidasTouch · 12/11/2019 13:32

Yes, if you send photos it probably will give them less of a need to visit but.....it would be the decent thing to do.

onetwothreemore · 12/11/2019 13:38

I can imagine and understand why you feel so hurt. However, they are your parents and you don't want to remember having been "distant" and seeking revenge if one of them was to not be alive tomorrow. Life is so short. Be good. Don't expect anything and stop forcing your imaginary way or what your relationship should be. Love them as they are, forgive them for not being what you think they should be and move on. You will regret a lot of things when they are gone and won't be able to change it. Be good and loving.

Chickychoccyegg · 12/11/2019 13:39

i would send photos (photos of your actual baby, not a photo from a magazine as mentioned above, what a weird idea that is)

Honeybee85 · 12/11/2019 13:47

YANBU.

They do no effort to maintain the relationship.

I know how much it hurts that your mum refuses to come and help you. Mine was the same.
Went on holiday right after DS was born and though she was aware I was alone as a new mum in a strange country, she said she would visit us another time when I was feeling better because ‘a visit wouldn’t be fun now, you have just given birth and can hardly walk so we couldn’t do nice things out of the house’. I think I permanently gave up on our relationship the moment she said that to me.

You have every right to feel hurt and to not play along with their game of pretending to be happy family.

WatchingTheMoon · 12/11/2019 13:47

I think if you move to another country, you have to accept that people aren't necessarily going to come and visit that often. Your parents visited pretty recently really.

It's not their fault that you had a large family and it's not really your business how your mum spends her money.

I get it, I live on the other side of the world from my parents and we have had a lot of issues during my childhood and beyond, sometimes it's hard and I feel abandoned too but it is what it is.

Ameliel · 12/11/2019 13:52

Thank you for your replies.. especially #onetwothreemore, you are abosolutely right, life is too short and I don't want to sink on thier level.
I can see your point too #TheMidasTouch, this is probably exactly how my mum feels. However it has always been the same, in my 20ish years I have lived in another country, she has probably visited around 8 times. We used to go to visit her 1-2 times per year, but now I simply cannot afford it for the 5 (soon 6) of us and frankly, their cold attitude puts me off.
I will probably play by ear and see how I feel next week.. I may keep the news for a day or two but will eventually let them know, with a photo.

OP posts:
Winterdaysarehere · 12/11/2019 13:53

I felt my privacy had been invaded by my crappy dm having pics of my dc. That's why I suggested not a real pic!!
Like she could pretend she was a great dgm with these pics to show off....

TheReluctantCountess · 12/11/2019 13:55

I think send one photo, maybe the next day after birth, and then leave it to them to contact you.

Ameliel · 12/11/2019 13:55

I meant to say however I just cannot understand their attitude - for me my children are the most important thing in my life, and if in future they decide to relocate to other side of the world, I would still find a way to visit them, especially for a special occasion such as birth of a grandchild.

OP posts:
hazell42 · 12/11/2019 13:55

You are getting on better.
They are making a bit more of an effort
Send them a damned picture
What's to be gained by not?

Halo1234 · 12/11/2019 14:02

I would send them a photo. Regardless of anything what harm is it going to do to let them see their grandchild. Whether u wish they visited more or weren't as immature or argumentative withholding a photo of the baby is only going to add fuel to the fire and create further divide. What good would it achieve? Why do u want to not let them see the baby ?punishment for not coming over. Regardless of who is paying a three hour flight alone and then time in a household with 4 children including a new born can be a lot for someone in their 70s. Life is too short send the photo. Do what u can to stay in touch. Except what it is (rightly or wrongly they dont acknowledge birthdays that's on them u cant make then different). U do u and let them do them and make it as easy as possible to have a relationship. Dont dwell on the shoulda woulda coulda you are going to change the people they are now.

GrumpyHoonMain · 12/11/2019 14:09

Honestly I think a little distance was to be expected when you chose to move away and not teach your kids their mother tongue. I don’t understand why it has only now become an issue for you.

lms2017 · 12/11/2019 14:12

They are in their 70's..... Just send them a picture . No one is guaranteed a tomorrow they may never see their new grandchild at all .

Some families have too much drama, then one day it's too late and they live with regret!

Past is the past move on, don't take it personally that they are not willing to travel perhaps they are finding life harder now and travelling is a big ask IMO

Good luck with your section xxxx

onetwothreemore · 12/11/2019 14:52

@Ameliel I forgot to mention I am in a similar to yours situation baby wise, family wise, country origin wise and I did have a lot of anger built up towards my family and I was very bitter but I managed to forgive and let go and stop expecting them to be someone who they are not. As someone else said, you can't be angry at a 70 year old woman for not renewing her passport to travel for 3h on a plane when she's terrified and go visit a big family where she will struggle with language, there will be chaos around the new baby, a woman how's just had major surgery and has another 3 children and a husband to deal with. Your mom is most certainly not needed and not welcomed and she's being wise to avoid visiting during this time. You will be very hormonal too and probably freaking out about the new baby, the rest of the kids, the house being messy, picking up fights with your other half about him stepping up with cleaning, chores, cooking, shopping etc. You won't be able to drive for a while either after your C section and will be stuck at the house for 3 weeks because you can only walk short distances... (I've had 2 C sections) ... Yeah, honestly you actually do not need your non English speaking old mom (70 is not old but rather different age and let's be honest it's not that young)... You can't expect her to come help. How can she help? She can't drive in the UK so she can't pick shopping and she can't take the kids out there is language barrier, she can't sit down and watch a movie with you not to even mention cultural differences... Most certainly send photos of your baby and celebrate with your parents the new edition to your lovely family x

onetwothreemore · 12/11/2019 14:54

*new addition

Excited101 · 12/11/2019 14:55

I think that by choosing to move to a different country, have 6 children (making it far harder to travel ‘home’ and see them) and not teaching them your mother tongue- your parents will feel it’s you who has made that distance bigger than it needs to be. Do your parents speak English? Presumably they can’t actually have a conversation with any of the children, what about your DH?

I think YABU I’m afraid, I’m not surprised they’ve had to lose interest a little bit.

ColaFreezePop · 12/11/2019 15:03

@onetwothreemore has explained it well why your mother (and also your father) would be a massive burden to you at that time and not a help.

Myshinynewname · 12/11/2019 15:15

Sorry but I think YABU. Your DM is in her 70s, doesn’t like flying and can’t speak to your dc. I think it’s a bit much to expect her to fly over alone to look after you and your dc because you’re having a section. Not sending a photo to try and make her visit when she doesn’t want to sounds petty and unnecessary.

sillysmiles · 12/11/2019 15:18

I would send a picture. Why not? How's it going to hurt?

Personal the most unreasonable thing (to me) is that you don't speak to your kids in your mother language. Growing up bi-lingual is such an advantage and also you automatically distance your kids from your birth family by removing their ability to talk to your family.

Josette77 · 12/11/2019 15:45

Why would you not send a picture? You moved away, had four kids, and none of them can even communicate with your parents. Your parents may be crap parents, but her not coming doesn't sound unreasonable. Especially as she is in her 70's, doesn't understand the language, and 4 kids is pretty hectic.

Derbee · 12/11/2019 15:48

If I was one of your parents, I’d feel that you created the distance by moving somewhere else, and abandoning your first language/not taking the amazing opportunity for your children to be bilingual and be able to communicate with grandparents.

I’d also feel hurt and pissed off if I were you. I don’t think I’d send a photo until one of them asked. See how long it takes

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