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AIBU?

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Any coppers about ?

20 replies

OldQueen1969 · 09/11/2019 17:57

Afternoon all,

First time I've been brave enough to actually start a thread on here so please forgive any breaches of etiquette ;)

Yesterday evening a car came round the corner near our house, lost control, tried to recover itself and in doing so crashed into the side of the van belonging to our housemate which was parked legally and SORN in the space outside our house - for reference it's parked lengthways so as not to encroach on the pavement on a kind of forecourty bit.

DP and a friend rushed out and saw the car speed away; a witness also saw what happened. I was a minute behind them and rang the police. The witness gave their details and while explaining the damage to the police, we realised that a piece of plastic that we thought had come off the van was actually the number plate from the offending vehicle so obviously we were able to give that straight to them.

Obviously it wasn't a life or death thing - van was shunted into the wall of the house but we don't think there's any structural damage and we were all fine if a little WTF?

The police operator said the details would be passed to an investigating officer, and I said I was worried about someone driving around in a damaged car and recklessly too, and they said they would tell officers to "keep an eye out".

This morning I rang the non-emergency number and after 40 minutes got through to ask for a crime reference number, which I was given, and also got the name of the Traffic cop who will be dealing with it.

Apparently in a situation like this, procedure is to send a letter to the registered keeper in the first instance?

Now I certainly wasn't expecting armed response or anything of that nature, but I would have thought that if they have the address a visit would at least be in order?

I know things are stretched but a crime - driving away from the scene of an "accident" - has been committed, and also if the driving was reckless / dangerous, surely they would want to see CCTV which there should be on the stretch of road they were on before they came round the corner.

I think my AIBU is really whether an incident like this should be treated as what seems to be an admin task rather than a crime? The operator this morning did say they would do some background digging based on the info provided, but it would take some time.

I have taken loads of photos of the damage and the way the van was shunted - van is likely to be a write off according to our friend who is a mechanic by trade as the side sliding door is stoved in and the chassis probably shunted out of alignment.

Very grateful that the van was there tbh, as otherwise our bedroom might have been wrecked.

In addition it seems the passenger in the car was begging the driver to stop, but to no avail, so I am a bit concerned they might have been injured.

I dunno, I tend to think of cars as potential weapons in the wrong hands and if this person was drunk or high then getting them for that has been missed.

So AIBU to feel a little confused and a bit dissappointed about it all?

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CastleCrasher · 09/11/2019 18:04

How do you know the passenger wanted them to stop?
To be honest, I wouldn't expect the police to call out for an incident like this. You've given them the info they need, and it's unlikely that any additional evidence can be gathered at the scene. Tbh, when we had our house burgled and trashed in broad daylight, the police didn't call until the next day, despite there being a very real protect of being able to gather fingerprints etc. There simply aren't the resources available unfortunately

OldQueen1969 · 09/11/2019 18:09

Both the witness and our friend who was first out the door heard them shouting as the car sped off - it had stalled for a minute - so that's how we know that.

CastleCrasher - really sorry to hear about your burglary - yes I do understand that resources are thin, I guess I was just worried about the safety aspect of it as much as anything.

Ah well, we live in strange and interesting times as they say - and for the record I am not in anyway having a pop at the police as I fully understand they are stretched etc...... ah well.

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ClemDanFango · 09/11/2019 18:16

I don't think anything will come of it. A few years ago my DGM had her car keys snatched from her hand and she was pushed to the ground, they sped away in her car.
The police didn't attend at all and she received a letter a few days later to say the case had been closed.
The letter was dated the same day as the incident happened.

CastleCrasher · 09/11/2019 18:16

Makes sense! Hopefully the insurance can sort out the van and any damage to your property op. Flowers For what it's worth, I would have reacted exactly the same as you until our burglary, but now wouldn't expect much in terms of call out - like you, I'm absolutely not knocking the police force - they were and are amazing and do the best they can with what little is available to them.

SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad · 09/11/2019 18:18

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Six months ago, my car was hit by a lorry which changed lanes without indicating (& obviously hadn't seen me travelling alongside). The driver drove away without stopping, but several people who'd heard the crash - and one who's witnessed it - had got the number, so I reported it to the Police, attended the station to give details, and filled in a very long and detailed form - as did my witness.
Last week I received a letter telling me that after due consideration, they were taking no further action...Angry

OldQueen1969 · 09/11/2019 18:18

oh good grief @ClemDanFango - that's terrible - hope your DGM was ok !

I am so sad that things like this happen and people just get away with it.

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SleepyKat · 09/11/2019 18:21

Police don’t really have the time or resources unless a person is injured to attend such stuff I guess. But yes, they’ve committed a crime by driving away from the scene of an accident.

I had similar a few years ago, I came mm from being killed when a load came off a lorry and smashed through my drivers window while I was doing 70mph. Lorry drove off but a witness got the registration and the police never prosecuted them for either having an unsafe load or for driving off. Which I found annoying.

OldQueen1969 · 09/11/2019 18:22

Thanks @CastleCrasher x

And so sorry to hear of your experience @SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad - that must have been terrifying. It saddens me that even with lots of information and witnesses etc things get dismissed in this way. Hope you are ok now x

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Farfromtheusual · 09/11/2019 18:22

It's standard that this be dealt with after the fact as no one was injured that you know of, and the other car drove off. If they'd left the car then an Officer would likely have attended and gone to the registered keepers address. To be honest, you're quite lucky that they took the details over the phone and that there even is an Investigating Traffic Officer at this stage. In our Force, you'd be told to attend the Local Station, fill out a form and then it'd sit in a pile waiting for it to be dealt with and you probably wouldn't hear anything for 3-6 months.

OldQueen1969 · 09/11/2019 18:25

@SleepyKat - again that's awful! And yes, annoying.

I hope the driver in our case was insured - otherwise my housemate is down a van and won't be able to get another..... but I'm not going to hold my breath - ironically it was a BMW. And I've always tried to avoid the stereotype thing but now...... hmmmm......

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ClemDanFango · 09/11/2019 18:28

OldQueen1969 she’s fine thank you, she’s very tough woman.
She wasn’t hurt thankfully, just a bit shaken up and angry as you might expect!

MrsMaiselsMuff · 09/11/2019 18:31

This is what happens when you cut 20,000 police officers.

Not relevant for your case OP, but if anyone needs emotional support after an incident, Victim Support can help.

www.victimsupport.org.uk/

wineisnecessary · 09/11/2019 18:43

Yep unfortunately they don't have the police to deal with this sort of thing it's only going to get worse .
Years ago a car crashed late at night outside my house hitting the wall we were in bed . NDN saw it but they drove off , NDN saw the number plate left behind so brought it in . NDN also witnessed the driver walk back looking for something assume number plate .I'm not sure why no one didn't phoned police and we were fast asleep so didn't hear . Anyway we told police next day what NDN had number plate and saw and they went round to the house on the next street they denied it was their car so police impounded and that was that . So basically you can drive around drunk hit walls and get away with it , ok no car but it wasn't taxed, insured etc and they denied it was theirs so no further action taken . Makes you wonder why we are all law abiding sometimes Hmm.

IncognitaIgnorama · 09/11/2019 18:45

I was side-swiped by a speeding lorry who was undertaking me on the motorway, causing considerable damage to my car. (Only avoided causing serious damage to me as a) I took evasive action and b) managed to do a safe emergency stop)

I followed the lorry til it pulled off, and asked for his insurance details. The driver claimed he didn't understand English, so I called 101: they gave zero fucks.

I had a number plate, company name and number--they said it wasn't failing to stop, as he had 24 hours to report the accident, and that no offence had been committed. It cost me a grand in excess - company overseas refused to respond to contact from my insurers. From my experience, I'd say not to hold your breath Angry

frankie001 · 09/11/2019 18:47

You can check insurance etc on some websites if you know the reg.

Lucylou321 · 09/11/2019 18:50

I'm a police officer and our force wouldn't attend this. Sorry.

Technically the driver has 24 hours to report the collision before they commit an offence anyway.

Time4Change0 · 09/11/2019 18:50

A few years ago a drunk lady driving a car she was not registered to or insured for crashed her car into my house and the neighbours either side causing walls to crumble and fall, windows smash and oil splatter all over the houses.

As she had no insurance we were all unable to claim.

As she was on benefits the police couldn’t make her pay.

Case was closed.

I mean WTF. Drunk and driving and crashing and she got off with it. We were raging

Windygate · 09/11/2019 18:54

Was the SORN vehicle parked on the road or on private property?

Itsjustmee · 09/11/2019 18:56

My 1 year old car was completely written of at 8.30 am in the morning by a local drug dealer -😂 he hit it with enough force to force it up on to a 10 inch pavement
He drove off but the idiot parked the car in a side st and my neighbours kids saw it later that day so I went and took photos

I had several witness who saw it happen and took photos of him trying to reverse off my car as the bumpers had wedged together
Despite contacting the police they did nothing
It was dealt with by my insurance company who paid out in full. He tried fo deny it at first but the local garage had complete CCTV fotage of him doing it and I had several independent witness as well
I occasionally see him around - he’s riding a push bike now 😂
The police won’t do anything no one was hurt and they don’t have the manpower

Unless you have independent witness and preferably photos / videos you won’t get any where from your insurance company either and you may find if you have to claim on your insurance it will go up

I had a write of 10 years ago and had no one to claim off and my insurance went from £30 a month to over £150 for something that wasn’t my fault

justchecking1 · 09/11/2019 19:48

So if the van had a SORN, does that mean it wasn't insured? I hope you can claim from the driver. How bloody annoying

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