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to ask for help with DD's homework (clauses)

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Brian9600 · 07/11/2019 18:54

"You should remember to hand in your homework"

Is this a simple or complex sentence?

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Brian9600 · 07/11/2019 18:57

I think it's complex because infinitive clauses are a sort of subordinate clause, but is that right?

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NearlyGranny · 07/11/2019 18:58

Simple.

Marshmallow91 · 07/11/2019 18:59
Confused
BayandBlonde · 07/11/2019 18:59

I would have said simple. It's a sentence asking to do something

lazylinguist · 07/11/2019 19:05

Simple. Because although it has two verbs, it only has one clause.

BonnesVacances · 07/11/2019 19:06

Simple because it has one subject and one verb.

Brian9600 · 07/11/2019 19:07

Hmmm, it has one finite verb and one infinitive though, that's what's troubling me. Maybe I am overthinking it. Thanks.

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BelleSausage · 07/11/2019 19:11

Simple.

I just did this today with Yr7.

Maidestone · 07/11/2019 19:12

Simple.

Complex would be something with two clauses, like:
‘You should remember to hand in your homework, which you did yesterday’

BelleSausage · 07/11/2019 19:13

Simple= one main clause.

Compound= two main clauses connected by punctuation or coordinating conjunction

Complex= dependent and main clause

Shortandsweet20 · 07/11/2019 19:18

Simple

Samsamsuperman · 07/11/2019 19:19

Simple (one main clause only)

Brian9600 · 07/11/2019 19:21

dickhudson.com/ks3sentence/#fin

So is this website wrong? I understand that a complex sentence has a main and subordinate clause. My question is whether an infinitive clause (they call it "non-finite on the link) is a type of subordinate clause.

(I'm sorry to keep asking the same thing!)

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bridgetreilly · 07/11/2019 19:25

An infinitive clause isn't really a clause. It can't be an independent sentence: To hand in your homework.

Brian9600 · 07/11/2019 19:26

Thanks, that's helpful.

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Foxyloxy1plus1 · 07/11/2019 19:27

Simple

crosstalk · 07/11/2019 19:27

IMHO I'd have said simple but they've set a tricky one It has more than two verbs (remember and hand in) so complex but it has only one major verb. I'd go for complex.

If it said "hand in your homework tomorrow" Simple.
If it said "hand in your homework tomorrow and remember your pencils"" that would be compound
If it said "hand in your homework after you've made sure it's correct" that would be complex.

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elanna · 07/11/2019 19:37

Definitely simple.

TellMeDinosaurFacts · 07/11/2019 20:42

No! You are right, as is Dick Hudson who was the chief grammar consultant for the current curriculum.
I need to preface this by saying that there are many 'grammars' and some may disagree, but as far as the UK curriculum is concerned I am totally confident that this is watertight.
There are two types of subordinate clauses.
Finite subordinate clauses usually have a subject and finite verb, and if linked to another finite clause may be subordinated by a conjunction like 'while' or 'although'.
Non finite subordinate clauses - like infinitive clauses as you've correctly said- are automatically subordinate.
So there are two clauses here, even though nothing is separating the verbs:

  1. You should remember - finite main clause
  2. To hand in your homework - non finite subordinate clause
Hence it is complex.

Looking for the subject to determine whether something is a clause or not is usually unhelpful (it may be passive tense, or the subject may be implied rather than stated). Spotting the verbs and indentifying finite / non finite is better.
The Dick Hudson website is great. Any teachers might also want to look at www.cybergrammar.co.uk

CamembertIt · 07/11/2019 20:47

I agree with #TellMeDinosaurFacts - there are 2 clauses here, one finite and one non-finite.

Cnp41 · 07/11/2019 21:05

I think it's really sad that our kids have to learn this guff...And I'm an English teacher.

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