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Removal comany nightmare

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LoobyLou1976 · 07/11/2019 13:07

Hi all, supposed to be moving on the 15th (next Friday) to a new build. We still have not seen the house, it was bought off plan and we have not been allowed in yet. Hoping to get in this week for our demonstration meeting.
We have a date of the 15th which they keep saying we will get in by, so that is the date I've had to give the removal company. They say there are penalties to pay if this date does not go ahead (a sliding scale for example, you still need to pay 50% of the removal charge if the date is changed 5 days before, 75% if its 3 days before, 100% if its the day of the move and its changed).
As we are paying over £1000 for a move 1 mile up the road and doing our own packing, this is a LOT of money to lose if the date changes.

The removal company have now contacted me to say they need to know when we will be getting our keys! Apparently there is a £66 per hour charge for getting your keys late on the day. The developers are still saying they are 'working towards' the date of the 15th and don't know what time they keys will be released. How am I supposed to proceed with this? Has anyone been in a similar situation?

NOW the removals company have said that all items like TVs etc need to be in their ORIGINAL boxes for the move, and if we don't have one we need to hire a special crate at another charge! As if paying over £1000 is not enough. And my large mantle mirror will need extra protection and wrapping at a cost of £20. I'm just really worried because when I made the removal booking I filled in an inventory as well as I could (stated to the lady we had not yet emptied the attic/shed etc so was unsure exactly what was coming), and I'm worried they will start adding costs on the day of the move for items that were not listed. She said on the phone " as long as you're not bringing a grand piano that you've not told us about" that it would be fine.
Sorry for rant, really stressing. How did everyone else get on with their removal company? Were you charged for items on the day that were not in your inventory, and did the removal men tick off a list of things as they loaded them?

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Beetle76 · 07/11/2019 14:14

Oh dear! That sounds rather nightmarish. I think it depends on how much they are doing for you. If they’ve quoted to pack for you, this usually would include packing materials but you need to check your t’s and c’s.

Our most recent move - with full packing included - the movers supplied everything. They happily used original boxes where we had them, but they built their own boxes if we didn’t. Depending on the insurance value or weight, a couple of things needed wooden crates. They asked about these specifically ahead of time and took measurements etc so they arrived with the correct sized crate. they were a big company and clearly ready for anything that could - and did - pop up unexpectedly on the day. They were pointing out things we’d forgotten like the bike rack which was still attached to the car! but they didn’t charge more to pack those extra bits.

The move before that, we packed ourselves . They just loaded the boxes and furniture onto the lorries. If we didn’t have the original box for stuff like electronics, we ended up carting it there ourselves - TV wrapped in a duvet in the back of the car. The movers would have boxed it for us if we had asked but there would have been a charge. As it’s only a mile, any chance you would be happy to move the electronics yourself? I know it defeats the point of using movers but we thought the extra packing cost didn’t offer value for money in that case. Big mirrors, framed pictures - they wrapped in blankets and loaded carefully, but we only had 2 or 3. But the smaller pictures and things, I wrapped and packed into boxes.

I did have to cancel a move a week before the date because the sale fell apart, but the movers were understanding and flexible. I did give them the heads up as soon as things seriously started to look like they were going sideways. Although it took us about a year to find another house, get the new sale through and move, they didn’t charge us a penny extra and said these things happen a lot. We had used them a couple of times before, and did use them we did eventually move, so maybe that had something to do with it. These movers were family run and local and have an excellent reputation. I can’t imagine that the bigger firm who did the full service move would be as lenient...

How likely is it that the house will be ready by the 15th? The new build we bought was about a week later than it was supposed to be (and by that I mean they handed over the keys a week later than the date they agreed to and that was over 3 months later than the estimate we were given when we bought it) and it wasn’t even finished then. Kitchen was incomplete, parts of the interior not decorated at all. In hindsight we should not have accepted the keys on the day and my advice to anyone buying a new build is to be fully prepared to reject it on the day if there are big things you aren’t happy with. If I could do it again, I would insist on a Second walk through before we complete and if there are still major items outstanding, then I just wouldn’t complete. Our builder was simply not motivated to sort things out later.

I would have a frank and open conversation about the move dates with your builder and explain the penalties you would have to pay if they are late and you have to reschedule. If need be, state that if they fail to give you adequate notice of any delay, you will have to look at passing along any additional costs you will incur. Check whatever builder/consumer code your builder is signed up to. If it’s one of the big firms, there is usually some indication of a time scale they have to commit to. As organisations, the consumer code things are a bit toothless, but it can be helpful to know what your builder should be doing as it puts them on the back foot if they are not. get EVERYTHING in writing.

Sorry - long post and a bit garbled. I’ve just realised I’ve moved a lot. 6 times in 12 years 😳 And I hope I haven’t alarmed you about the new build - it’s stuff I wish someone had told me.

Good luck!

MrsMaiselsMuff · 07/11/2019 14:16

Do you mean you've not exchanged yet? That happens before completion, although in practice the two things can be simultaneous. I'm checking so you'll know if the developer has any obligation to you regarding the date.

What paperwork (can be email) do you have from the removals people?

Needbettername · 07/11/2019 14:21

Cancel the movers. Now. Drive round to new house and see it.
I bought a new house and the move date was pushed back loads

messolini9 · 07/11/2019 14:25

As we are paying over £1000 for a move 1 mile up the road and doing our own packing

WTF?
Sack them, & find another firm that doesn't want to rip you off.
Conversely, hire a van, & get friends to rally round. Paying frends some cash & a takeaway when you have 'landed' is a far cheaper option!

Devereux1 · 07/11/2019 14:31

Is this The Little Removals Company by any chance? They have offices up and down the country, so it might be. They are notorious for ripping off customers but they ignore all customer complaints and court judgments against them. They don't answer the phone etc when things get difficult for them, and I see that's what happened with you, so it all sounds in their M.O.

VeniVidiVoxi · 07/11/2019 14:43

Your card details aren't much use if the card has been cancelled. Although they do know where you live.... and where you're going to live.... tricky.

mikulkin · 07/11/2019 14:58

i have moved quite a few times and never heard about such strange penalties. The companies i used required 48 hour notice for cancellation. I also never need to arrange any boxes
I would call around and I am sure you will find better deals. Then you can cancel these ones and lose your penalty.

LoobyLou1976 · 07/11/2019 15:00

Its a large chain, not Little Removals Company, We got quotes from 3 different companies, only one of which came out and provided a quote in person. They were all with a couple of hundred pounds of eachother but we went with this one because the woman on the phone was really nice and their reviews were good.

Just to add fuel to the fire, I've just ad an email from Miller Homes saying that they can't get us in to the house to see it (we have not even seen it yet!) for our demonstration meeting, until the NIGHT BEFORE we are due to move. According to their own customer charter and the glossy brochures we were given, we should have seen the house about 4 times by now! This is really making me paranoid there is a reason for them putting us off until it is too late for us to do anything.
They said the street is being dug up and services put in so it would be 'unsafe' for us to go in the house? I've already emailed to ask how my removal company are going to park if the street is being dug up?
Total nightmare.

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putthehamsterbackinitscage · 07/11/2019 15:03

Definitely get rid!

I moved a while back and had full packing, full insurance and a journey of around 50 miles..., packing too 1.5 days of 2-3 people and I paid less than £1700 for a 5 bedroomEd house.

All packing materials provided no boxes etc needed.

They were extremely helpful and less than half the price of one of the "big" names.

They were also Very flexible on dates and we were also moving to a new build with no firm move date until 6 days before we actually moved....

BumbleBeee69 · 07/11/2019 15:06

Cancel this firm they are ripping you off ..

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 07/11/2019 15:09

Just seen your update...

If you're not in a chain, can you refuse to set a completion date with Miller until they've done the demo?

We had luxury of a px and completed one week, moved the next which made it all a little bit easier as we had the weekend to sort stuff nit being moved by the removals company (tropical fish, cats, paint, lpg etc)

HelloYouTwo · 07/11/2019 15:20

I think you might need to consider that your house is not going to be ready to move into, and you should also cancel your bizarre Rio-off merchant removals firm and write off the smaller penalty now.

Honestly, you shouldn’t be looking at a new build house in a rush the night before completion. You should be able to check it all over in daylight before you accept the keys.

HelloYouTwo · 07/11/2019 15:21

rip-off not Rio-off!

LoobyLou1976 · 07/11/2019 15:23

Miller have actually bought our house (part exchange) and apparently need the keys given to them by a certain time on moving day. Strange how they can dictate when we give the keys to OUR house to them, and yet they can keep us up in the air as to when we get the keys to our NEW house.

I have 3 phone numbers for the Miller site and all three are going directly to voicemail. They are only communicating by email and even that takes hours to get a reply. I can't believe we will only get to see our new home until the night before we move in. If I was buying a toaster I would have had more input into this! We were so happy in the beginning of this process and I feel like it is all just falling apart.
Sorry for the ranting, I'm just worried that if this is the sort of service we are getting before we even move in, how are they going to deal with the inevitable snags etc?

As to the moving company, I won't name them here for fear of reprisals but it is a large chain in Scotland.

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HerkyBaby · 07/11/2019 15:23

Errrm the removal company issue is a Red Herring. The real issue here is that you are about to move into a house that you haven’t seen yet. Get yourselves down there and demand to see it. I suspect that not even the road to it will be ready let alone the roof. Prepare yourself for more of a nightmare than you can possibly imagine

Howyiz · 07/11/2019 15:27

Why have you not just turned up at the site?

Howyiz · 07/11/2019 15:29

Oh and cancel he removal company. If you are only seeing the house the evening before who is doing the snag list for you?

LoobyLou1976 · 07/11/2019 15:36

We have been down to the site a couple of times for various meetings but were never allowed access to the actual house because it is behind the 'build line' and apparently you cannot get behind the magical build line. We have been having online 'updates' through the Miller Homes portal that tells you what stage your house plot is at (e.g "we're plastering the walls" or "we are installing your kitchen" etc). They told us a month ago that we would get in shortly to see the house and have just either been really hard to contact or like now, been putting it off.

To answer another question, we have not hired a professional snagging company because the developer told us there are two years to claim for any snags, and also because its fairly early on in the development and they will be on site for another 2-3 years so we thought it would be easier to get them back to rectify snags if they were still around.

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LadyR77 · 07/11/2019 15:40

I would have been down to the site of the new house to see what the hell is going on by now - it's only a mile up the road! You need to cancel the removal company as I'm pretty sure you will not be moving in on the 15th.....

Pinkginhelps · 07/11/2019 15:51

Call and explain the situation to your removal company right away. Ask them to cancel. If they say no, ask for a response in writing. The onus is on the removal company to prove loss of income if you cancel at this stage regardless of what they say about their terms. Be calm, polite but insistent.

LoobyLou1976 · 07/11/2019 15:54

Thanks for all replies.
My husband has managed to get through to the developer and they have said they are still working towards the specified move in date. Surely by now they would know if the house wasn't going to be ready? As I said we have asked to see the plot a few times but it is physically cordoned off as a building site and you cannot get behind the build line. It would have been pointless to turn up and ask to keep getting in. We were always confident that our demonstration meeting would let us see everything well in advance, but this hasn't happened.

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cookiemonster5 · 07/11/2019 15:55

£1000?!? For less than a mile?! We hired a van from Friday till Tuesday for just over £200 and moved ourselves. Also less than a mile. If you are packing yourself and just want them to load the van and unload at the other end then they are robbing you blind!

Sallyseagull · 07/11/2019 15:56

Sorry if I've missed this but have you actually exchanged yet?

witherwings · 07/11/2019 15:59

Complain to the house builders. We had same messing about with dates and our move was delayed by 2 and half months in the end. The builders paid for our removals because we couldn't book anything as they were so vague about dates.

witherwings · 07/11/2019 16:02

Also, go to site office and demand answers. That's ridiculous that you haven't been able to see the house. Again, we insisted and were allowed onsite with hard hats and boots (borrowed) more than once.
Start getting pushy. You are spending a lot of money on a house and deserve to see it.

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