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Should I move my baby to new nursery?

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pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 19:16

Hi all,

Just after some advice or thoughts on moving my daughter to a new nursery.

She is 15 months old and started nursery at the end of July 2019. I thought the nursery was lovely at first, very small and intimate. There were a few concerns I had from the beginning, but I put that down to me being overly sensitive. The babies (in my eyes) weren’t being watched enough when I took her to the settling in sessions. Ill try to keep this as brief as possible as it’s a long one.

In the garden they have a wooded platform which is reaches by two steps where they can paint. I witnessed a baby (who could walk) standing at the top and doing a roly poly off the top step and hitting her head on the bottom step. No members of staff were anywhere near her but noticed when she fell and picked her up.

My daughter had a hard time settling in. On the first full day she did, the called me to pick her up early as she was unsettled. They also called her father as I missed their initial call. He asked if she had taken any milk from the bottle (she’s breastfed and refuses bottles), he was told no, when he asked if they had tried the other bottles I had been taking in to see if it made a difference, he was told that that had tried but on that particular day I didn’t send any additional bottles so this was a lie.

They kept calling me to leave work early to collect her as she was unsettled, even saying one time that they would like me to collect her early as they had a full house that day and she is disturbing the other children. This has really messed my hours up at work.

They then asked me to change my working hours at very short notice as they thought that doing half days would be better for her. I was unable to do it the first week they asked and said that it would have to start the week after as I wouldn’t have chance to work my contracted hours that week. They refused to take her for the full day that week even thought they knew I had no alternate childcare and wouldn’t be able to go to work. I did this for a month then reverted back to full days.

The other week when I arrived to pick her up, she was sat behind a bookcase with a little boy. As soon as the nursery worker saw me she dashed over to them and appeared to take something, my daughter had started crying so the nursery worker picked her up and said that she dashed over as the little boy was trying to give her a hug and my daughter didn’t like it so started crying. I didn’t think anything of this at the time until I got home and saw she had biro on her head so I am wondering if the boy had a pen he was outing in her face and the worker got it from him before I saw.

2 weeks ago I picked her up, and I had a phone call from the nursery after I left saying that they meant to get me to sign an accident form but forgot and would have me sign it next time I took her in. She said on the phone that my daughter was walking and lost her balance and her cheek hit the floor, so if she has a small bruise in that area this was the reason. When the bruise came up, it was a very deep dark like about 2 inches long and a centimetre wide so it was obvious to me that she had hit herself quite badly on the edge of something, When I took her to nursery the following time, they got the form for me to sign, I made a point of reading it and it said the same as she had said on the phone. I questioned it and told them that the bruise was a line like she had hit it on the edge of something, the worker pointed to one of the ramps they have there and said that she might have hit it on that. I asked then if she was telling me she hit it on the edge of the ramp and she said that she might have.

Last week when I picked her up on Wednesday (she goes Tuesday and Wednesday) and got her home to change her nappy she had a very dark (almost black) mark on her privates but very near to the crease in her leg. I know this happened there as it wasn’t there on the Tuesday or the Wednesday morning. At first I thought it was pen, so I tried wiping it off before realised it was a bruise. It was very small but concentrated. About the size of a tic tac. I put it down to maybe she hit herself with a toy when she was being changed but as it was very prominent even a week later, I became more and more concerned. I questioned it when I took her back this week, the room manager didn’t seem bothered, just said she would keep an eye on it (no need it’s a bruise) and that she might have hit herself on something as she is more mobile now. I don’t think she could have hit herself that hard in that area to cause that with a padded nappy on.

One last big thing, last week I dropped her off a bit later than usual, they serve breakfast until 9am. I took her there at 8:45 thinking nothing of it and that she would have breakfast. When I got home and read her report for that day it stated she had breakfast at home.

There have been many other little incidents too. They have lost a piece of her clothing which meant a lot to me, it disappeared into thin air. They would ask me for more nappies and then send them back in her back when I took them in. I don’t think they’re putting cream on her when they change her nappy as she always seems a bit red after nursery. They have sent other babies clothes home with me on many occasions. They post a monthly blog with photos, on month she wasn’t in any of the photos.

Can I get some advice on what you would do? Sorry it is so long but thanks for reading.

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Astillbe · 06/11/2019 20:36

I'd have pulled her out when they forced you to change your working pattern. They are supposed to accommodate you not the other way round!

They don't seem to supervise the children closely enough and I'd be very concerned re the bruise near the crease of her leg. That is unlikely to be caused by herself.

Do they not have cctv covering the rooms? My dd's nursery did and it was monitored in the admin office, I found that very reassuring. You could request to check footage if you had any concerns.

pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 20:44

Thank you all. I don't trust them. I felt panicky this morning leaving her there and I wanted to take her with me there and then. That should say a lot. I wish I could find a lovely childminder but I've tried looking at them and trying to trust them and I can't. At least at a nursery if anything untoward were to go on then there are other staff to maybe witness it.

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pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 20:45

I don't think they have cctv at all. The owner also works there and her child attends. I don't like her either to be honest. She was the one who told me she couldn't accommodate me for that full day when I needed to work. She also had the cheek to say she really wanted to help me but isn't there anyone else who can have her

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/11/2019 20:49

At least at a nursery if anything untoward were to go on then there are other staff to maybe witness it.

You have ACTUAL PROOF that this isn’t true and yet childminders are still the ones you don’t trust?!

Astillbe · 06/11/2019 20:53

I'd go and view some other nurseries. We looked at 3, one which had an outstanding ofsted rating but I felt was a bit grubby and just didn't like the feel of it. The one we chose had a lovely feel to it and the staff were great, my dds went from 9 months to starting school and loved it.

I didn't want to use a childminder for similar reasons to you. Nurseries can be a great experience, you just need to find the right one.

wigglybluelines · 06/11/2019 21:21

Definitely take your baby out and yes, talk to the HV. Have you taken a pic of the bruise?

Maybe meet some local CMs and see what you think. They might surprise you. And a CM is a much better environment for young babies I think. (I've used both CMs and nurseries for both of mine)

Maryann1975 · 06/11/2019 21:28

At least at a nursery if anything untoward were to go on then there are other staff to maybe witness it

There are at least two, maybe three incidents in your op that contradict this. No one knew how your daughter got Biro on herself/why she was crying when the boy was hugging her, the bruise following her fall didn’t match how they explained it and she has an unexplained bruise in her nappy area!
It’s fine if you don’t want to use a childminder, but please don’t think you will get substandard care just because the minder works on her own.

pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 21:29

I have censored the picture but here is the bruise which is on the edge of her privates near the leg crease

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pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 21:31

Sorry all I didn't mean to offend anyone. I don't think a xhuldni7is substandard care at all. It's just how my mind works.

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pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 21:31

*childcare

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pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 21:32
  • sorry that should read childminders.
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Monkeynuts18 · 06/11/2019 21:34

You’re not happy, so you should move her. You’ve got to have confidence in the nursery. If you’re don’t, it isn’t working! It doesn’t really matter why you feel that way (although FWIW I would feel the same as you over what you’ve described!)

My DS is still too young to go to nursery (I’m on mat leave) so apologies if I’m being naive but this bit in your post shocked me:

They kept calling me to leave work early to collect her as she was unsettled, even saying one time that they would like me to collect her early as they had a full house that day and she is disturbing the other children. This has really messed my hours up at work.

Do nurseries really do this with unsettled kids? Isn’t it their job to try and settle her? I’d understand if she was ill or had had an accident, but very few people can just leave work/change their hours as and when they feel like it. Surely they’re not doing their job as a provider of childcare if they’re ringing you to come and get her just because she’s unsettled?

Oct18mummy · 06/11/2019 21:40

There’s too many incidents and red flags. I would pull my baby out.

Userzzzzz · 06/11/2019 21:43

Your post is a mixture of being overly sensitive (losing an item of clothing- never take anything precious to nursery) and more serious things. The bruise (which looks like a finger print) and asking to change working hours would have been enough for me to leave. I’d also say if they’re struggling In the baby room, things are only likely to get worse in the older rooms as ratios change.

Sjl479 · 06/11/2019 21:43

Regarding the bruise, could they have been clipping her into something eg a seat or pushchair, and caught that bit of skin in the clip? I’ve done that myself with dd (only once, learnt my lesson!) and it caused a small but really nasty bruise

GrumpyHoonMain · 06/11/2019 21:50

That looks like a fingerprint bruise. Someone with small fingers like mine. I accidentally left behind a similar bruise when changing DN on a changing table when she tried to launch herself off.

Clownfish123 · 06/11/2019 21:51

I would definitely take her out. I know you're wary of childminders but find one that has some good reviews or can provide references.
My childminder's reviews were fantastic. Parents were absolutely gushing in their praise for her and she has been like another member of our family. I couldn't be happier with our choice, little DS runs in excited every day. She has 16 years experience, you rarely get that in a nursery.

isadoradancing123 · 06/11/2019 21:51

I would have pulled her out as soon as they asked you to change your hours and they lied about the bottles

tigwig76 · 06/11/2019 21:53

Wow. Definitely don't take your baby back. On paper 6 babies sounds great for a nursery room numbers wise and is probably what sells it. However as you've discovered the legal ratio is then only 2 staff. Who have to do everything between them.
I'm now a childminder and before that I worked in baby rooms for years. I can assure you that the children in my care now get far more attention then they ever did in the nurseries.
You have mentioned so many issues I would be concerned about and they breach regulations.

pumpkinbump · 06/11/2019 21:54

I'm not sure about the clipping in as she would have had a happy and trousers on. Regarding it being a finger print, that would be fine but when I questioned it with the manager she didn't say she would look ioir to see what happened. Or ask who was changing her that day.

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BlueEyedFloozy · 06/11/2019 21:54

From experience as a childcare worker and as the parent of a child who really struggled to settle in I would say it's actually better that they're advising you to try half days - it's not great but staff ratios are pretty strict and if you have one child taking full attention from even one staff member all day then it really does cause problems and disruption to everyone else.

My daughter barely lasted an hour for the first 2 weeks as she got so worked up and upset that it was distressing for her and other children so I would need to use a holiday day or make up the hours later and pick her up. Thankfully though my work place were pretty understanding!

As for the other stuff it sounds like a pretty hectic and poorly run place if I'm honest - yes, accidents happen but babies should not be out of the eye line enough for staff to not know how/what happened. That would be a red flag for me.

Photos aren't a huge concern, special items (including clothing) wouldn't be going to nursery, missed breakfast is crap but most likely down to miscommunication with change in timing and I imagine the bottle incident to be similar.

Trust your instincts and move.

TripleSeptic · 06/11/2019 21:56

I bruised my nephew's inner thigh similarly when I was young and had enough money to get my nails done. Big massive acryllics, doing something mundane like popping up a vest or putting him in his car seat. I felt awful about it, I didn't know what was wrong at the time, but I remember he cried at my parents house, then I saw the bruise at bedtime and it all made sense.

I'd change nurseries though. Ours is brilliant. When my mum was dying I had to be with her and I had a sick child. The manager told me to bring her, bring her antibiotics, and they'd love her like their own. And they did. I put her into the woman's arms, and she was still in her arms 6 hours later. She'd cuddled her all day.

spanglydangly · 07/11/2019 13:20

*@TripleSeptic

I'd change nurseries though. Ours is brilliant. When my mum was dying I had to be with her and I had a sick child. The manager told me to bring her, bring her antibiotics, and they'd love her like their own. And they did. I put her into the woman's arms, and she was still in her arms 6 hours later. She'd cuddled her all day.*

That just brought tears to my eyes, what a wonderful nursery..

spanglydangly · 07/11/2019 13:20

*bold fail 🙄

NoCleanClothes · 07/11/2019 13:24

The one point that is unreasonable is the clothing. Never ever send precious clothing into nursery. The rest I think is all valid and I'd want to move her to a nursery where I could feel confident she was well cared for.

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