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To stop doing things out of obligation?

43 replies

Garlicandherb · 06/11/2019 08:38

I’ve always tried so hard to be ‘nice’, and I enjoy doing things for other people. But lately I’m starting to get so frustrated with things that cause me stress or energy, that I realise I’m only doing out of obligation, not because I actually want to.
Is anyone else totally over doing stuff for other people out of this inbuilt sense of obligation (guilt ensuing if you don’t do the ‘nice’ or ‘right’ thing)?
For me this includes things like:
Organising the in laws at Christmas (who is going where, cooking for them)
Sending birthday cards and gifts to people who don’t say thank you or reciprocate.
Return play dates, for toddlers who trash the house.
Inviting my siblings to DCs’ birthdays when they don’t invite us for their DCs.
Making effort to maintain friendships with little input from the other person.
Planning all the household meals.

Some obligations I enjoy, and I’ll keep doing those things. But I’m starting to think I need to put myself/DH/DCs first and meet my own needs before other people’s. Do you think people will even notice if I stop doing stuff? Anyone gone obligation cold turkey and found it successful?

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Garlicandherb · 06/11/2019 09:52

@iliveinsalemsalot kind words, thank you!

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WhineUp · 06/11/2019 09:52

See, I don't really understand people who do feel this obligation to please those around them at their own expense. Have you no sense of... I don't know, selfishness? Can you actually be ARSED to do all these things for others?

I mean, I'll do a mate/relative a favour If and When it suits me, but I really don't get this going out of your way and inconveniencing yourself for the benefit of others. It seems like massively hard work and I sort of, kind of, in a way admire that you can actually be bothered, but personally, I have exactly zero trouble with saying 'no', firmly or softly, for the sake of my own comfort.

Try it. I think you'll like it.

Sunflowersok · 06/11/2019 10:01

I was a bit of a ‘walk over’ when I was younger but more recently over the years I’ve been more honest about what I actually want to do and what I don’t or can’t. I believe if I’ve learnt anything, it’s that people have more respect for me now Smile

It’s easier to say no the more you say it

ItsCatherinetoyou · 06/11/2019 10:10

@Garlicandherb
I have been, as you say, 'so over it' for years yet my husband feels we should always do our duty.

"For me this includes things like:
Organising the in laws at Christmas (who is going where, cooking for them)"
I would dearly love to organise the in laws and inform them where to go.

"Sending birthday cards and gifts to people who don’t say thank you or reciprocate."
It isn't just you. My mother-in-law very kindly sends cards to all centenarians and they never reciprocate.

"Inviting my siblings to DCs’ birthdays when they don’t invite us for their DCs."
I understand your hurt. My siblings are wonderful, but I expect one of my in-laws will not invite us to their child's birthday parties.

"Making effort to maintain friendships with little input from the other person."
Believe me, I totally understand where you are coming from.

"Planning all the household meals."
I only wish I was allowed. I do sometimes slip out to Waitrose to admire all the packaging though.

"Some obligations I enjoy, and I’ll keep doing those things. But I’m starting to think I need to put myself/DH/DCs first and meet my own needs before other people’s."
I've thought about this too, many times. I'd love to just do what I want on Christmas day. I'd secretly like to sit in my pyjamas all day eating pizza while watching films. I'd also like to swan off and live in another country and just do what I want like live somewhere hot but have a dry ski slope installed so I can still enjoy skiing. Oh well, one can dream.

"Do you think people will even notice if I stop doing stuff? Anyone gone obligation cold turkey and found it successful?"
I'm sure everyone will notice and appreciate you only when you stop doing these things. Please come back and let us know if you are successful. Maybe I will follow suit.

RickOShay · 06/11/2019 10:18

@Garlicandherb
I read something on here that really helped me with exactly this problem, don’t set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
You are allowed to focus on who and what you want. Give yourself permission.

Faith50 · 06/11/2019 10:43

I was a people pleaser due to the way I felt about myself. I have never felt accepted since being bullied at high school. I did all the visiting, the ringing because deep down I knew they would not.

When I came to my senses and stopped contact I did not hear from some so called friends again. I needed to witness and acknowledge this. Of course they would spout all the "we must meet up" when I bumped into them at a mutual friends home but I never made the effort.

I have under five friends which suits me. I have no time for users and fair weather people.

Garlicandherb · 06/11/2019 13:20

This is clearly resonating with a lot of people, and it’s good to hear success stories
@WhineUp and @ItsCatherinetoyou your posts made me laugh! I am generally a happy and organised person, I like to be generous with my time and effort and feel like I’m naturally good at coming up with ideas and organising things, and I do enjoy it. It’s only recently that it’s started to feel pressured or like it’s taking too much of me, so I’ll definitely work at pulling back.

I’ve just had a chat and handed Christmas organisation of the in laws to DH, who is happy to do it. That in itself feels absolutely freeing - I think I could get addicted to this Grin

@RickOShay such a fabulous saying, I might post it around the house somewhere to remind me!

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RickOShay · 06/11/2019 16:06

I might do that too Grin

ffswhatnext · 06/11/2019 16:30

Anything that isn't optional I do because I want to.
When I was with ex, his side was his problem. I had enough with my own side.
I have a no freeloading adult living here rule. You want to remain a part of this home, you do your share. Except of course when health-related. And even then don't expect me to run around after your ass. Same with I'm ill you deal with everything and let me recover.

People eat, so they should also be involved in a part of this process. If small children can be involved then so can the other adult. Regardless of if there is a meal plan or not, people need to eat and when there's another person they can do their share. And why is it the man often walk in and asks - what's for dinner tonight when there's clearly nothing cooking. Why not - what do you fancy tonight?

And one thing I will NEVER and have never felt obligated to do was say to the man thankyou. Or the word help when it comes to the other parent. Unless I asked for help. Thanks for putting the bins out. Thanks for helping out with the dc's. Thanks for cooking us dinner and helping out.

This has to come from feeling obligated right? Why else would someone thank someone who lives in the same house for doing everyday household stuff? Why would you thank someone for helping when it's just being a parent? He's not the next-door neighbour who has popped in to give you a hand.

Drum2018 · 06/11/2019 16:37

I recommend the book “The Life Changing Magic of Not Giving a FK” by Sarah Knight.

I second this book. A friend called today and had a rant about a family member taking advantage of her kindness. I told her about the book and I have now ordered it for her as a gift. I have become like you in the past year and have taken steps back from being so obliging. I suit myself. It's quite liberating.

econowifey · 06/11/2019 16:50

My SIL only invited DH to her wedding. Not me or the children. And the fallout was...a few shocked faces Hmm I'd never have dreamt about not inviting certain groups to my wedding but apparently, you can do what you like!
So I'm definitely on board with a new mindset!

Loopytiles · 06/11/2019 17:00

An older, gentler book is “a woman in your own right”, on assertiveness.

Good that you’re ditching the “wifework”. Your H can deal with his family, gifts etc. He could also do a fair share of meal planning.

Agree too that friendship should be enjoyable and (overall) reciprocal.

I think YABU to be annoyed if you don’t get reciprocal invitations to family DCs’ birthday parties. If you do or don’t want family at the things you host for your own DC, fair enough either way, other people will make different decisions. DH and I dislike mixing family/DCs’ friends at the same event for various reasons, so we don’t: SIL - who invites us to DCs’ events they host (we sometimes attend but more often don’t) - has made negative comments about this before.

ItsCatherinetoyou · 06/11/2019 20:55

"I've just had a chat and handed Christmas organisation of the in laws to DH, who is happy to do it. That in itself feels absolutely freeing - I think I could get addicted to this"
One is so pleased to hear of your success. Your shining example has given me the encouragement to have a gentle word with William with a view to us staying in an air BnB at Christmas instead of at the big house. One would prefer to visit one's own parents but the weight of expectation is upon us.
One is heartily sick of having to visit the in laws at their home at Christmas. If only William could be persuaded to invite them here so that I could host Christmas and not have to travel with our dear children who would love to share the table with us.

Brown76 · 07/11/2019 07:50

Am getting there. Also birth of DC2 that was one of the triggers. Resigned from voluntary work, told them I might be back when DC2 starts school. Said no to work stuff I didn't want to do. Stopped sending Christmas cards. Have now (mainly) stopped selling things on eBay and just donate to charity. Ignore school projects/dress up days unless DC1 says they want to do it and reminds me.

CigarsofthePharoahs · 07/11/2019 08:06

I have found the best ways not to end up as the person asked to do a lot are: -
1, Resting bitch face. People are less likely to approach.
2, A pervasive personal odour - puts off anyone not scared by the bitch face!
Well that's obviously a joke, but getting hold of your inner bitch is a good idea. The few times I've been asked about stuff my inner voice says "And you can't do this yourself because....'
I am also immune to hints and as for anyone trying to guilt trip me - that brings out an even harder no.
That's not to say I haven't pitched in when friends have been in genuine need of course. But that's very different to people just assuming you're the dogsbody.

StariaP · 07/11/2019 08:52

I feel your pain OP. I always said I’d never be a skivvy for everyone but it’s somehow happened all the same. I’m working to rectify this.

I’ve been doing all the budgeting, shopping, meal planning and accommodating the OH and kids food preferences/like/dislikes, and cooking a meal every single day for 6 people, cleaning up afterwards and I’ve had enough. My OH insists he can’t cook, which is crap he’s just never tried. I taught myself when I moved out, he can learn too. So can my kids. I’ve three teens 13-16 and they are going to make dinner once a week each, and OH doing it one weekend evening. Nothing fancy, just a simple meal so everyone is fed. I’ll still do the rest for now because well, one step at a time and all that but it’s such a load off already.

I’m in the process of working out what else can be more evenly spread out between us all, I’m done being the dogsbody of the house.

I have a job too and am reclaiming some of my time. If they all get to enjoy hobbies and time out of the house, seeing friends there’s no reason I can’t too, they just have to pitch in which is only fair.

ffswhatnext · 07/11/2019 09:35

Yes, ignore the hints. Some cf's will be surprised you didn't pick up on their hints. I used to tell them straight they should have said, I'm not a mind reader. They would then ask and I would say no unless I wanted to.

Some will try and guilt trip you - but I work long hours for example. Don't you get a lunch break? Don't you have access to the internet?
But little Johhny will miss out if j,p,r,t and s cannot come. Oh well, maybe next time and walk away. Don't reply. If they persist, say sternly I said no, stop asking you are embarrassing yourself.

The ones that want a lift that doesn't work for you. Tell them if you haven't got the local cab office number, Uber and Viavan can be easily downloaded. Have a look on your phone there's quite a few. Better still if anyone in your household has these, send the person your link and get some credit 😀 At least get a bit of petrol money back that way from all the years of driving them around.

Get him to do more @Garlicandherb. You might be surprised what else he will be happy to do.

This is NOT aimed at anyone just what I have realised over the years as I am a people watcher.
I think that sometimes we automatically slip into the 'traditional' role when we get into a partnership. Obviously there are exceptions. The female of the house just automatically turns into 'mum' and wants to care for her man. Some of the traditional 'manly' stuff she asks him to do. Like, mow the garden. Mistake number one is right there.
She shouldn't be asking him to do it. She asks him why he hasn't done whatever yet. He says the classic 'I didn't realise' Ask him how he couldn't realise, it's right there. Don't then do that job with that huffy thing. Leave it. Fuck it. You get that urge to want to do it, fight that urge. Find yourself something you like to do and do it to distract yourself. Perfect time to go gym or whatever without the children. He's there, they are his children as well, he can look after him, just don't thank him when you return. Does he do the same every time he walks through that door? haha not a chance. So why are YOU thanking him for being a parent 🤣

Or he asks what's for dinner when there's clearly none. I don't know, you tell me what's for dinner.
Do we have X? Why are you asking me? You have a look.
But instead, you don't. You get up and go and look at what is for dinner and do it all. You go searching for things. Why?

Once that starts then before you know it you are doing everything or nearly everything and he's sitting there like lord of the manor. Fed, clothes always washed, refreshments, presents the works are all done for him. Of course, he's not going to wake up one morning and see it for what it is, He's got it made. He's staying quiet to see how long he can get away with it. If I had someone who did all that for me, damn right I am going to. All I have to think about is well, me. Some will even say are you sure? They are testing the waters.

They sense a bit of trouble brewing in the horizon. So he will up his game a bit. And what happens, he gets thanked. Lord of the castle is getting thanked for washing up a cup. Awesome.

Some will realise they have been rumbled and tap themselves on the back for getting away with it so long and start doing their share. That's a keeper. He cares about you and knows you shouldn't be doing everything because it's not right.

The other type. Nah. They will go along with it to placate you. And slowly they stop doing it. Or they do it badly, like not wash up properly. Come on little kids can do this, why is an adult unable? He just needs to practice then. Or he doesn't do it to your standards, let your standards drop. These will always try to get out of everything they can, making it your problem. Send them to the shop, they mess it up. On their part, it's deliberate. It's annoying as fuck, let it go and laugh it off.
They don't want to do anything. Dinner, they make it your problem. It's a we problem, he needs to eat. These ones once you wake up and start to see the unfairness, you see other things. Some might be worth keeping because at least they are trying if you don't let them get away with things. But the other type, you notice there are other things, those are the ones that should be binned. They are in it for them. Yea they will love you, but love just aint enough.

Sorry for the essay. Hope it helps at least one person to realise you don't have to do it.

I'm not saying we should never do anything for other people. Of course, we should. It's what people do for kindness because they care for that person, there's mutual appreciation. Where is the mutual appreciation when you do things through obligation?

Like parties. My kid invites mates. He's happy. There is something in those friends he likes because of whatever, I may dislike them but that's on me. He appreciates them being there. Whatever happens after that happens. He shouldn't have to invite people who have invited him, because that feels like an obligation. Friends have their own friends as well. When mine got an invite back, awesome, if they didn't oh well, they know mates have their own mates. Just in the same way we do.

Nomorechickens · 07/11/2019 09:49

A lot of the things you mention are things you can just stop doing without telling anyone - sending Christmas cards, play date invitations, party invitations, contacting friends - you don't have to ring them and have a difficult conversation about why you are not sending them a card or inviting them, just don't do it. They will probably not even notice or care.

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