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To talk to other mum about her child’s unkind behaviour?

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AmIReadingThisCorrectly · 03/11/2019 12:14

For some time now DD (6) has been saying that she struggles to find someone to play with at break/lunchtimes and has mentioned some specific problems with four other girls in her class.

I spoke to DD’s class teacher about this as it does sound a little bit more concerning than just not being able to find someone to play with. DD and friend 1 went to nursery together and were inseparable - then they started school and I think friend 1 made lots more friends very quickly and wanted to split her time between all of them, whereas although DD did make new friends, I think DD would have preferred to spend all of her time with friend 1, had she been able to. We have spoken to DD a lot about this and the fact that she needs to respect friend 1’s choices and it would be nice for DD to make friends with the other girls too. The girls in the group would then often play together as a five, or as two smaller groups, and all of the girls seemed happy with this. This seemed to be fine until recently.

DD has been saying that now the other four girls often play together as a group without her and this is where the problem starts. Individually all four girls seem fine with DD but she says that when they are together as a group, she is often excluded. I know with little children that it is difficult to know if it is just a one-off or if it genuinely happens all of the time, but when DD came home on one occasion and said that the others had “finally said she was allowed to play with them today”, it was clear from the gratitude and relief that she showed that this probably does happen quite a lot and that she had been waiting for a long time to play with them. DD is really resilient and where there has been unkindness from others towards her in the past, the first we have known about it is when the class teacher told us that she had taken action to try and resolve it.

DD has said that normally when she asks the others to play, they either see her coming and say “Run away, DD’s coming” or they will say “yes, I promise you can tomorrow”, then the next day when she reminds them of their promise they will say “it’s today, it’s not tomorrow yet, it won’t ever be tomorrow will it, haha”, and so on. She said that even if they say to her face that she is allowed to play then she hears whispers of “not really” and then they run off and leave her. She says that she often walks about on her own looking for them as they hide from her or tell her where they will meet and then deliberately don’t turn up. This kind of thing has made me quite concerned, and DD made the comment of “only the teachers like me, I haven’t got any friends any more”.

Unfortunately DD has said that the main ringleader of this is friend 1, and from what DD has said, it does seem that when the girls are together as a group, they do look to friend 1 as a kind of leader. Again, I fully understand that friend 1 does not want to play with DD all of the time but it just seems a shame that the other girls have become involved in this and that the situation sounds like when they are together, they are all joining in with this and being quite unkind towards DD. I doubt that they have really thought about how DD will be feeling and am sure they are seeing it as some kind of game but DD does seem really upset by it and is just desperate to play with them! I am not sure how I feel personally about DD’s desperation to keep playing with them - as an adult I would try and make different friends if I were treated like this (!) but I’m sure that as a 6-year old trying to fit in, all DD wants is to play with the girls that she normally gets on well with. The teacher has spoken to DD and is encouraging her to play with other children and has said to me that she is aware that friend 1 has been unkind to DD for a long time and they had been monitoring the situation - I was unaware of this.

I am genuinely stuck on this one - DH says that I should speak to friend 1’s mum about this as he feels she would want to know, whereas I don’t want to stir things up even more if the teachers feel that they have sorted things with the girls directly. I am good friends with friend 1’s mum but have never had to approach her about anything negative before. It is likely to become awkward soon though as there are a few events coming up in the near future (don’t want to be too outing) where DD and friend 1 would normally do things together and now I don’t think they will do them together this year - do I explain why to friend 1’s mum or let the school deal with it?

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Gruffalomom · 03/11/2019 12:22

I understand why you are feeling frustrated with the situation, but I'm not sure what you will achieve by speaking with the other child's mother. She can't force her child to play with yours if her child doesn't want to. And honestly if these girls are being so mean then you probably don't want to have your child in the mix with them anyway.

All of this behaviour is normal in the age group, and whilst it is heartbreaking for us parents it's part childhood.

I would though suggest a chat with the teacher. They may be able to help in spotting a suitable group for your child and gently encouraging a relationship. A TA did something like this for my child who was a bit lost in his reception year and it worked absolute wonders.

Good luck!

AmIReadingThisCorrectly · 03/11/2019 12:26

Gruffalo - that’s exactly what I have done, I spoke to the teacher and was happy to leave it there. I 100% agree that I don’t want DD to play with people who treat her like that! The teacher has suggested some different children to play with. I was happy to leave it there but DH is also suggesting that I now speak to friend 1’s mum, not to rekindle the friendship but to highlight what is going on and to make her aware that her daughter is being unkind. I’m not sure about this...

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Tistheseason17 · 03/11/2019 12:33

We had something similar in Y2 and the class teacher set up a group of girls to have break time together to get to know each other and forge new friendships. They also knew of another girl who wanted to play with my DD and held her back at lunch/breaks to allow my DD to meet with her.

There is still this unpleasant girl in my DD's Y3 class but zero point in speaking to the mum - I understand she is also very difficult for parents at home so pointing out further issues is not going to help any relationships. Converse with the school only and do not discuss with other mums as it becomes something you never intended! School can be quite difficult for parents to traverse, too!

UrsulaPandress · 03/11/2019 12:38

It’s difficult but I don’t think there is anything to be gained from speaking to the Mother.

Gruffalomom · 03/11/2019 14:18

What does your DH thinks your DD will gain from you speaking to the other mother?
Your DD and this other girl may well become best of friends again next term and then you've created lots of awkwardness.
You might also hear things about your DD you don't want to hear. In my experience what children this age tell you others have said to them, they have usually said back! Not out of any malice but because this is just what they do at this age.
Most parents of children this age group are already having conversations with their children about the impact of mean words and how to be kind.

mrscampbellblackagain · 03/11/2019 14:28

I really would not speak to the other child's mother - nothing good will come of it.

But I would catch up with the teacher regularly to see how it is being managed at school.

It is horrid for your little girl though and for you as well.

HuloBeraal · 03/11/2019 14:31

Why don’t you set up play dates with other children? And speak to the teacher to talk about friendship in class. Surely there are other kids she can be encouraged to play with.

AuntImmortelle · 03/11/2019 14:41

DD has said that normally when she asks the others to play, they either see her coming and say “Run away, DD’s coming” or they will say “yes, I promise you can tomorrow”, then the next day when she reminds them of their promise they will say “it’s today, it’s not tomorrow yet, it won’t ever be tomorrow will it, haha”, and so on. She said that even if they say to her face that she is allowed to play then she hears whispers of “not really” and then they run off and leave her. She says that she often walks about on her own looking for them as they hide from her or tell her where they will meet and then deliberately don’t turn up.

Teacher here. This part in itself is bullying and needs to be dealt with by the staff under their bullying policy. You need to frame your conversation with the teacher using that language. These girls do need to be called out on this now otherwise this type of queen bee behaviour will get worse as they get older.

I know you said your DD is resilient so well done to your work with her. Keep talking to her about how to deal with this. Teach her that she has the power to choose to play with other kids and help her foster new friendships. Make her understand it is nothing to do with her and its all about the other girls poor behaviour. She has done nothing wrong. You and I know of she wasn't so keen to play with them that this situation would dissipate as they'd no longer hold power. She can't really understand this yet, but part helping her to.

Do not have a conversation with the other mother - I can guarantee this won't end well if you do.

AuntImmortelle · 03/11/2019 14:42

*part helping=start helping

Iusedtobeskinny · 03/11/2019 14:45

It might be ‘normal behaviour’ but it needs correcting, it’s bullying and it needs to be stopped.
I really wouldn’t speak to the other parent though, it will backfire massively, keep all communication through the school.

BrassTactical · 03/11/2019 14:46

I’m with PP when DD1 has a problem with a bully I took them out bowling together, in this case the mum did know why but that’s because she knows her dad has these issues.

Try and encourage other friend groups by organising play dates with alternative options.

justbinthefeckinbyebyebox · 03/11/2019 15:04

Auntimmortelle I totally agree, this is what my dc teacher has done.
If you feel that you can trust the teacher then let her deal with it, she knows exactly what is happening and
how to react to help all children involved.

It's so easy to get caught up with it all, so unpleasant to watch but
let the teacher know everything that your dd tells you. Hopefully it will
end well and your dd will have lovely friends instead. And I wouldn't
say anything to the child's mum either.

WineCake for you and Bear for poor dd

Goldenbear · 03/11/2019 15:08

I don't know, I can see where you are coming from. I had a similar situation when DD was younger. It didn't get much better and we changed school, not because of the friendship issues but it was the best thing that happened to DD. The girl that treated her like this now really misses her and wants to see her. She hasn't changed and is still very rude, I know her mum well and it is tempting to say something but I don't as I think she would not fully accept it. On the other hand I am very tempted to speak to parents who apparently are very nice but their son is hideous to mine at secondary school. The school just ignores the behaviour and see it as part of secondary school life.

Frenchw1fe · 03/11/2019 15:22

A similar thing happened to my daughter when she was 7, another child would stop children from playing with my dd. I spoke to the teacher carefully saying ‘I’m sure girl doesn’t mean to be unkind but’ and explained situation.
Teacher immediately said she would put a stop to that. And she did that day.
21 years later my dd occasionally sees girl and although not great pals gets on ok when all out together.
I on the other hand still can’t forget what girl did which my dd finds amusing but I tell her if it ever happened to any future children of hers she would never forget either.

NoAngel1 · 03/11/2019 15:28

If friend 1 were my DD then I’d want to know. I’d want to speak to her and explain why her behaviour is unacceptable and I’d hate to think that another parent wouldn’t approach me, particularly if we are friends. I would try to understand that this type of behaviour could be coming from any one of our children and it’s not a problem with me as such but my DD and something that could be stopped early on.

Screwtheclockchange · 03/11/2019 15:40

NoAngel1 - I have to say that I'd want to know too. My whole purpose in this parenting lark is to make sure that my DD grows up to be a decent human being. I can't do that it I don't have access to all the relevant information.

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 03/11/2019 15:48

My daughter is in a similar position except I think it's her perception of things rather than total blindness happening.

I have encouraged her to play with other kids at break time and we've also asked some of her group individually around on playdates, as well as other kids from the class.

Crazyladee · 03/11/2019 15:54

Nothing really constructive to add here but I just wanted to say my heart was breaking for your little girl reading through your post. I was in a similar situation at primary school and its awful. I used to dread going to school whilst I was going through this and very often used to make up illnesses so I could stay at home with my Mum.

As a parent, it hurts like hell when your child is being bullied. It feels so real the bullies may as well be bullying you so my heart goes out to you too. Hope you and your little girl get through this.

MsTSwift · 03/11/2019 16:23

That’s bad op. See the teacher support your daughter as you are doing and follow Aunts good advice. If you are a reader read cats eye by Margaret Atwood she perfectly captures this little girl evilness.

Livelovebehappy · 03/11/2019 16:40

Ideally you would like to think that the girls dm would be sympathetic and work with you to sort the matter out, but the reality is she may be very defensive and her dd may tell her a different story. As parents, we don’t like to think our DCs would behave like bullies so will tend to believe our own. It may then make things very awkward for everyone but nothing done to resolve it.

AmIReadingThisCorrectly · 04/11/2019 17:19

Quick update - DD went to school today determined to play with someone else and not give friend 1 the satisfaction of being asked about joining in. The teachers had suggested some other girls and DD found them at lunchtime. She said it took her a while to find them and when the girls found out they took her on a tour of the playground to show her their favourite places to play so she would know where to find them in the future. She said they all played together and she even made two other new friends that she had never met before.
Thank you for all of your advice - hopefully things will continue in this positive way. I am planning to stick to my original tactic of not saying anything to friend 1’s mum and will just stay polite and not start any meaningful conversations until things have all blown over!

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GingersAreLush · 04/11/2019 17:39

You’d be much better talking to the teacher as others have said. I did this when my DD was having issues with another girl at this age and the teacher had plenty of experience with this behaviour.

Also see if there’s any out of school activities that your DD might like to do to help raise her self esteem and make new friends so she doesn’t feel so dependent on these particular girls who are being so mean to her.

GingersAreLush · 04/11/2019 17:41

Also I’m glad your DD has made new friends! We tell our children “just go play with someone else!” But that takes guts to put yourself out there. Good for her!

MadMonkeyGirl · 04/11/2019 17:43

From experience speaking to the parents never ends well!

AmIReadingThisCorrectly · 04/11/2019 17:46

Gingers - the first thing I did was talk to the teacher about it. I thought I put it in the OP but maybe not? The teacher has been fantastic and was the one who introduced DD to these lovely new friends.

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