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To back off from friend going through awful time (triggerwarning re-suicide)

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scrappydappydoooooo · 30/10/2019 10:14

Like too many women my marriage became extremely abusive when I was pregnant. (In retrospect it was abusive before my pregnancy, I had just become too used to it to notice, and it amped up when I was pregnant.) I stayed until my DC was a few months old and then I left and moved back to my home town. I threw myself very, very much into building a new life for myself and DC. As a result pretty much all of my friendships are younger than my DC, if that makes sense.

The important backstory here is that one of the manipulation techniques my XH used was threatening suicide. Whenever I wasn't doing what he wanted, he'd make comments about wanting to die and then he'd disappear for a day or two, leaving me to freak out, assuming he'd killed himself. And eventually call me up and tell me he couldn't cope unless I did X or stopped doing X, or stopped expecting him to do X, etc. A part of me suspected that it was pure manipulation and he had no intention of committing suicide but I was too terrified to test this idea. Especially as if I didn't respond as panicked as normal he would increase the level of threat to himself, like locking himself in the bathroom with a knife, emerging briefly to show me him with the knife to his wrists, before running out of the house for days. Or send me photos of himself on a bridge before turning his phone off. It all culminated on the morning I was due to leave when I woke to find him in the livingroom unresponsive and surrounded by pill bottles. I remember standing outside the room in A&E where he was being treated, holding a small baby and hearing him roar like an animal as the detox drugs went through him and feeling really cold, sure it was an attempt to trap me. I went home and went through his computer history and found lots of searches along the lines of "how to overdose without dying." When I went to see him when he came around the first thing he said to me was "I told you I couldn't live if you left." And finally a week later the psychiatrist who was treating him told me he did not believe he was a genuine suicide risk. I left that day. And while obviously that wasn't the complete end of our relationship, there were plenty of suicide threats and manipulation attempts over the next 2-3 years. None of them were ever followed through on and as I stopped reacting to them, they eventually stopped completely.

Which brings me to now. One of my friends has been having an utterly horrendous time within her marriage, which has in many ways become worse once she insisted on a separation. I wrote a really long post here detailing the last year but decided to delete it as it's too outing and upsetting. But the short story is that while her Ex is truly a manipulative bastard, she has been doing everything she can to needle him. Every time he messes with her, she messes back with him. She's made stuff public, humiliated him and if he doesn't react, ups the ante until he does. Then she freaks out and gets really panicked and upset and turns to me and a few other friends to help her out. I've dropped really important stuff in my life to come running and help her, only to have her deliberately rile up her ex again that same day.

I found myself needing to back off a bit, deciding to never give advice anymore because if I say what she doesn't want to hear I don't hear from her for a while. And only offering to meet up when I actually have free time. Which is still once or twice a week (even though I do have to arrange a babysitter) but not come running at a moments notice any more. At first this resulted in her backing off from me. But now I've started getting messages that I think are hinting at suicide.

I'm terrified for her. But I honestly don't think I can cope with this or offer her a lot of help. I feel a lot like it's an attempt to manipulate me which I acknowledge could be 100% down to my history with my EX. But it really makes me fear saying the absolute worst thing to her if she's genuinely feeling suicidal. I haven't slept for most of the night. I have 1000 things to do now but I can't as I have this going around and around in my head. I think I've decided that the best thing to do is to let mutual friends know what's happening and why I'm the worst person to try help. To advise her to tell her counsellor. And be prepared to tell her to call for emergency help if it gets too dark but that I can't actually come. (She does know everything about this part of my marriage.) And let her know I'm prepared myself to call 999 for her if she needs me to.

OP posts:
StealthPolarBear · 30/10/2019 10:18

You are a brilliant friend and a good person. You now need to look after yourself and your child and do not apologise for doigg so. You are right, you should not get dragged into this.

Zebraaa · 30/10/2019 10:19

This sounds draining. You are not responsible for other people’s actions. Protect your own mental health - back off and leave her to other people for the time being.

ThreeLittleDots · 30/10/2019 10:24

YANBU, I'd say "look, friend - this is all too much for me to cope with due to my past, but please call / text / email Samaritans on XXX" If you need to repeat this over & over so be it.

But the most important thing is to look after yourself and do not allow any manipulation. If she continues to try to drag you in, in full knowledge of your history, then the relationship is unhealthy and I'd cut her off.

scrappydappydoooooo · 30/10/2019 10:42

Thanks. I was worried I'd get slated. My ex slagged me off to all of our mutual friends, many of whom hate me for leaving him after his suicide attempt and it's made me feel like everyone will think I'm cold and don't understand mental health problems. The Samaritans is a brilliant idea. I really want to be there for my friend but I genuinely can't be apart of getting her out of her depression or the pattern she seems to have got stuck in. But I can stay non-judgemental and be there to help her when and if she wants the type of help I can give.

I just turned my phone on, to see I've had lots of messages from her overnight about how desperate she is. I'm going to gently message her to say I'm worried for her but feel unqualified to help her when she's feeling this low recommend she call her counsellor and also send the Samaritans number. Thanks again. I actually fee ten times lighter already.

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ThreeLittleDots · 30/10/2019 12:23

I actually fee ten times lighter already That's good OP - yep - I love you but I can't help but here's Samaritans...

DisappearingGirl · 30/10/2019 12:32

I think you're totally right OP. You sound lovely and kind but it's fine (in fact essential) to set some boundaries and say this is too much for me due to my past.

And yes turn your phone off at night (and maybe some of the day too!) and message her back when it's a good time for you as opposed to being at her beck and call.

I think some people with MH problems (not all by any means) do drag others down with them and become manipulative, even if they may not realise they are doing it. And if they get lots of attention and sympathy for creating drama then it's kind of positively reinforcing that behaviour and that relationship dynamic, even if both sides may not realise this is happening (hope this doesn't sound mean, it's nto meant to).

You need to protect your own MH and your time/energy for your kids.

underground76 · 30/10/2019 13:10

I think some people with MH problems (not all by any means) do drag others down with them and become manipulative

This is absolutely true - and it's also true that it's perfectly possible to have mental health problems and, quite separately from that, be manipulative and selfish by nature. I get the impression from a lot of posts on here that people often think that someone who is unpleasant when they are mentally ill would be nice if they became well again, which in reality is not often the case.

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