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YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 28/10/2019 22:49

My son moved into a student let on the 1st July. It’s a large Victorian terrace that has been converted into furnished flats. His flat is downstairs in what would have been the front room and dining room. The front room is his bedroom, they’ve sandwiched a bathroom and tiny study in the middle and the dining room is now his living room with small kitchen extension into the back yard.

When he moved in, they said they were still working on other flats and the hallway hadn’t been touched at all. It had no carpets. They said all the work would be finished by the end of July and they would be replacing the rotten front door. He didn’t mind as he was away on holiday for the last two weeks of July, so only two weeks of noise to put up with. The work has been ongoing and was only finished a week ago. He’s had to put up with noise all day from the builders, then noise from other tenants making a noise on the stairs with no carpet. He works antisocial hours and it’s impacted on his sleep. He’s been home a couple of times, just to go to bed for a sleep!

In the summer, a tenant in the flat above went away for an extended period but didn’t clear out his food cupboard. This was discovered when they had to enter his flat to fix a problem and discovered it was full of insects. My son ended up with infestations of flies, wasps and mice coming into his flat because of this. He’s had to spend money on insect repellent and mouse traps as he got sick of waiting for them to provide them. He’s blocked all the entrances into his flat and hasn’t seen mice since. However mice are still getting in somewhere and he can hear them running about in the internal walls and on top of his ceiling at night.

The rooms have really high ceilings and small electric wall heaters. The living room heater is ok but as soon as he turns it off, the heat goes away. The bedroom heater isn’t big enough to heat the room and the room is always cold. He’s had to buy an electric blanket and extra bedding but he’s still cold at night. The room feels damp because it’s so cold. Some of his things have mould on and have had to be thrown away and he’s struggling with his asthma. It’s also costing him a fortune in heating already and we haven’t even hit winter yet.

The main front door is rotten and doesn’t fit. You can feel cold air coming through it and see daylight through it. There is a door between his bedroom and the hallway that isn’t insulated, and doesn’t fit properly so you can feel cold coming through it. This doesn’t help with the cold bedroom even though he does put a rolled up towel along the gap at the bottom. The front door is warped and difficult to close, so he is bothered by noise from the others slamming it shut which is annoying when he’s in bed a couple of feet away from it.

The bathroom has no heating in it and the fan is inefficient. The walls end up thick of condensation after a shower and the room feels damp all the time. It doesn’t have a window in it as it’s in the middle of the building. He’s had to buy one of those Unibond things with the big tablet in. It’s collected about 1cm of liquid in 24 hours.

The desk in the study was broken on arrival. It’s not been put together properly and they admitted it was just balanced for viewings and they forgot to sort it out. This still remains broken and it’s very unstable.

There is black mould on the kitchen ceiling because the roof on the extension is leaking. He has pointed this out and the builder told him it has leaked before. This still remains unfixed.

The freezer has broken down and he’s lost food. They have tried to tell him he’s broken it and needs to buy a new one, but I’ve told him to go back and say it was brand new when he moved in, so presumably it is still under manufacturers warranty so they need to sort it out.

He’s at the end of his tether with everything and would happily move out tomorrow but he’s tied in until next July.

What is the best way of making them sort all the problems out so he can be comfortable in the flat?

TLDR: son moved into a flat for uni that has had nothing but problems with it. What should he do?

OP posts:
Lockheart · 28/10/2019 22:59

Is he definitely tied in til July? It's highly unusual for contracts not to have a break clause, usually after the first 6 months. Check the contract as a first step.

Secondly you don't mention that he's raised all of these problems with the landlord? What is the landlords response? If the landlord is failing to maintain the property and refusing to fix problems then the council should be your next port of call.

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 28/10/2019 23:03

Yes he's raised them all. They keep saying it will be sorted out but it never is.

I will get him to check the contract regarding how long he has to live there.

OP posts:
Feckingfireengine · 28/10/2019 23:21

Did he find the accommodation via his Uni's accommodation service? If so he should go and speak to them as they might be able to help him. Failing that his student union should have an advice centre with a housing specialist who might take the case in for him and put pressure in the landlord.

Cherrysoup · 28/10/2019 23:28

Tell him to go to Shelter and seek advice about leaving early. He shouldn’t be compromising his health.

daffydowndilys · 28/10/2019 23:28

Did he view the flat?

I see it all the time that people take on shitty properties and then complain. If you don't accept it in the first place hopefully the landlord will realise that the property is not good enough to live in and make the improvements.

CrotchetyQuaver · 28/10/2019 23:33

Try Housing enforcement at the local council.

CrotchetyQuaver · 28/10/2019 23:34

Housing enforcement is not the same as planning enforcement. This lot are out to find the rented properties not fit for habitation and sort it out.

Interestedwoman · 28/10/2019 23:40

This flat is virtually uninhabitable- it'd be hard work for him to live there and it's already effecting his sleep, which will effect his work etc.

I would 'do a runner.' Tenants do it all the time. Don't leave a forwarding address and there's nothing they can do about. It's not like they've earned his good will or anything, they've been crap.

Interestedwoman · 28/10/2019 23:41

*about it.

Northernsoullover · 28/10/2019 23:44

He needs a HHSRS assessment. Its worth a call to the Environmental health team. You can Google previous cases. I'll see if I can find any.

TARSCOUT · 28/10/2019 23:45

Get in touch with local council environmental health.

mumwon · 28/10/2019 23:48

do as @CrotchetyQuaver says - & contact University too!

Herja · 28/10/2019 23:56

Having lived in similar places: dehumidifier (a couple, cheaper than heating); fleece pyjamas, socks and hat for bed - dressing gown to go over day clothes; earplugs for shift work. Always keep the bathroom door open. The mice I'd have thought is normal for an old building? Certainly if there only in the walls - I've never lived anywhere without them anyway. Heating, well, most old houses are expensive to heat; you get used to it though, I can't afford the heating on in my old, cold, house either.

The front door and the leaking kitchen roof I'd complain about.

Graphista · 29/10/2019 00:01

I'm another saying shelter!

This is a really common issue for students, one I helped several with when I was a rep myself.

I'm no expert on the law but assuming little has changed since then (except to improve things for tenants as I think there's new laws on repairs etc) then the contract being until July is largely irrelevant as THE LANDLORD has broken/failed to uphold the contract or what he's legally obliged to do in terms of not providing accommodation which is suitable for habitation and/or as was promised!

That being the case means your son doesn't have to uphold his end BUT it's a little more complicated than that and it really is better getting advice and advocacy from an expert.

Shelter can with a clients permission advocate for people, they can speak to the landlord on your sons behalf with the additional advantage that the landlord can't bluff them because they KNOW the law and can make clear to the landlord that if x y z isn't fixed pronto that they'll be advising your son that he can take certain actions that the landlord won't want him to (ending the contract, reporting to environmental health etc)

Sometimes landlords just need a kick up the arse of this type and then they get their act together, but even if that doesn't work your son will then have the right guidance to deal with things inc possibly just cutting his losses and telling landlord to get tae fuck!

Unfortunately students are vulnerable to these kind of issues as they're usually young and inexperienced and not yet practiced in being assertive and claiming their rights.

Hope he gets sorted out soon.

Graphista · 29/10/2019 00:02

Temporarily on the heating side of things can you sub him money to get halogen Heaters and dehumidifiers?

Halogens are great for heating large spaces cheaply and are quite cosy.

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 29/10/2019 07:34

Thanks all.

He found it himself through Right Move. He viewed it and met the landlord, then had a second viewing that I went to. They said to ignore the undecorated hallway and rotten front door as they would be replaced by the end of July. The actual flat was well decorated and looked nice. It was recently refurbished and it was summer so no evidence of the leaky roof or how cold it would be.

Will get him to speak to student services at the university and shelter.

It's an older couple that own several properties in the street that have all been converted into student flats. He thinks they've taken on more than they can cope with as they keep promising to sort things but never do.

OP posts:
Muirton97 · 29/10/2019 12:13

Tell him to get out of there no one should need to live like that it's a disgrace no legal action would even sit in court for walking out of a dump like that some landlords are bloody rotten

Muirton97 · 29/10/2019 12:16

If you're paying rent and paid your deposit no one should have to buy you heaters to get through the place should be suitable for the tenants especially the heating

crosstalk · 29/10/2019 16:36

OP so he's dealing directly with the landlord? Make sure your son takes pictures of the damp, condensation, black mould, front door. Video when appropriate. Also get a thermometer and film it every day. Any evidence of mice droppings etc. Post to landlord.

Another one saying at least in the interim the landlord should provide a dehumidifier and halogen fires AND pay for the extra electric which should be apparent on the monthly bills.

And also he should speak to his uni about the problems he's having. It could be they could help with accommodation

mencken · 29/10/2019 16:46

if England:

what is the EPC rating on this place? If below E it will be illegal to rent it from April.

does it meet local HMO rules? Smoke alarms? Deposit protection?

I agree with the HHSRS route - if the council can be bothered (they should be but councils should do a lot of things that they don't due to lack of resources). That can actually enforce improvements.

no, he does not have to live in a shithole. If the landlords are breaking as many rules as it appears from this, he can do a deal to be let out early. (this dump will never improve) And then still sue their sorry arses. I speak as a landlord.

for next time:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-rent

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 29/10/2019 22:02

Yes he's taken pictures and he's writing a document with them in to take into uni to show them what it's like.

I've looked it the EPC report up and it is currently rated as E with the potential to go to C. It recommends insulation in the walls and floor and high heat retention storage heaters. Insulation and heating both only get 1* out of 5.

OP posts:
CSIblonde · 30/10/2019 03:45

If the University can't help, my local council has a dept dealing with health & safety in private rentals. They had a mega crackdown on safety after Grenfell & got my LL to install alarms & fire doors (after 2years of dragging his heels) or face immediate prosecution.

mencken · 30/10/2019 16:38

ok, so as E it is legal on that front. If ok on the other legals, go to the council.

if not ok on the other legals, use as ammo to get out of the contract early.

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